To change who I'm voting for based on one news story?

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This one ->

www.itv.com/news/2019-11-27/jeremy-corbyn-says-uncensored-documents-show-nhs-is-part-of-toxic-post-brexit-trade-talks-with-us/

I had already decided to vote for the conservatives, mainly because I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the others who seem hell bent on gleefully ripping up womens rights. I've always voted so abstaining/spoiling wasn't an option.

But after reading/watching the above I think I am going to switch to voting labour. We are a disabled family, and could never afford to pay for healthcare (and I doubt insurance would touch us with a barge pole).

I don't like Momentum/Corbyn really but I'd rather complain and fight for my right to a single sex ward than not be able to use one at all

Re: brexit I voted remain in the last referendum but to be honest just have fatigue about the whole thing, so I'm not basing my vote on any of that. (Though seems a second vote isn't that terrible an idea).

Just posting because I can't see anything on here about this yet and I've gone from feeling quietly confident that Conservatives would win to feeling nervous about it now. Anyone else?

Ahh ok. I was seeing it from a different point of view: women’s refuges closing, cutting legal aid, cuts to social care, cuts to police (making investigating crimes against us harder and longer wait times when they’re called out. Not to mention being put on hold when you call them), cuts to the NHS including mental health, universal credit being brought in and a housing crisis.

They’ve fucked it all up utterly. Don’t get me started on how much the ill and disabled are suffering because of the Tory’s obsession with austerity.

Look at what parties and politicians do, not what they say
This! When asked what Corbyn would do with the NHS on question time, all he did was go o about how bad it is now and gave a sob story. No mention at all of solutions because he doesn't have a clue. Pathetic.

All he can now do is try to find something to use against Johnson, something that isn't at all what he claims. For one, we are talking about drugs not the full NHS as he is shouting.

I don't care for either party and despise both men, but I am gobsmacked at how credulous people believing whatever headline they are choosing to hang on to. To think that voting comes down to this is so disheartening.

I don't care who people vote for but if it is based on one matter, at least take the time to read a bit deeper about it rather than just taking news headlines at face value.

And the national debt that’s doubled under those paragons of prudence, the Tories.

Funny how Labour supporters apparently wanted the Tories to cut the deficit much faster, despite the fact that they cried and whined about “austerity” (i.e. reducing the deficit) every day that the Tories did it!

PaddyF0dder I'm not a Tory/tribal voter. It was a matter of which issue affected my family the most at this moment, Self-ID or selling of the NHS. If you vote with no consideration as to how policies will affect you/loved ones then good for you.

I find the insults on all sides of polictics full of stereotypes which seem to be a product of lazy thinking and quite frankly boring.

I agree with what you've said HideYourBabiesAndYourBeadwork I just thought that it would be impossible to sort out those inequalities when the word 'woman' would mean any who fancied using it on that particular day.

@iggly you're right, that's why I said could not would. But working in the public sector myself we are hardly a well oiled efficient machine! I don't think anyone would argue with the principles of the NHS being bang on but operationally, its far far from perfect and could learn something from the private sector

• Prescription drugs cost more in the U.S. than most anywhere else in the world. As a result, Americans are illegally importing drugs from other countries. Each month, Jane * breaks the law. She does this to stay alive. Jane is a Type I diabetic, which means she requires insulin to keep living. The problem is a 10 mL bottle of insulin in the U.S. has a list price of about $450. Jane estimates it would cost her $3,000 a month to stay alive without insurance.*

There are lots of USA based articles talking about how US drugs are many times for expensive often for an identical drug.

If the UK has to pay USA prices for drugs there is less money for everything else in the NHS.

Paying more for drugs is not the the UK's interests, it is in the USA's interests.

Btw op I agree with you- it won't matter one jot whether or not single sex spaces are legally protected or not, if there is no funding to support the places where this would be most necessary.

Yes your refuge can be single sex, shame it's closing due to lack of funding....

@Mustardscreams oh god you’re another that thinks Labour caused the global financial crisis aren’t you? Poor thing.

We would have been in a better place to ride out the storm had Gordon Brown not previously sold us a huge chunk of our gold reserves for the price of decent meal out!

YANBU. Vote with your conscience. Whether that‘s conservative, labour (or neither) is obviously up to you. X

Ehm... no idea where that X came from. Hmm...

X

Oh for goodness sake! Sodding X.

The NHS is a deal breaker for me. I have lots of personal knowledge of people whose lives were saved/transformed by NHS intervention (including my own). My friend's ds almost died from aggressive meningitis and the treatment he received was immediate and outstanding. The same treatment in the US would have entailed her selling her home .

Do not underestimate the intentions of the Tories. They do not believe in the NHS because it has no shareholders and is not there to make people rich of its back. that's the bottom line.

Corbyn is terrifying, anyone voting for him and by extension MOMENTUM is voting for an instant hard recession and the end of life as we know it. It is serious stuff.

No I won't be voting Momentum under any circumstances this time.

If he gets in, we are planning to leave the country, there will be nothing left of the UK for our children apart from abject poverty and nationalisation.

Do some more research first. Read about what the document really is and what it really says.

This. And also see what critical journos make of the full thing as it is analysed. Don't just rely on what one heavily biased politician says.

And then if you still vote Labour, be prepared to enjoy your lovely shiny, fully funded, utopian mixed-sex single sex ward, with not a thing you can do about it.

LOL at 'Corbyn is terrifying' .

Out of interest Considerme which country will you be emigrating to?

By the time Corbyn as PM has spent trillions on buying up huge companies we do not even need, there won't be anything left to help the NHS.

The one missing link is that we will suffer a huge crash if Corbyn gets in, and we will see the multinationals leave the UK, and investment drain faster than at any other time. This is not conducive with investing in anything, we will be penniless and won't be able to afford the NHS under Labour or anything else for that matter. The jobless figures will soar, the deficit will soar, and those most vulnerable will be in real trouble.

Anyone that is unable to see the carnage he will create is utterly deluded!

(I am a labour supporter of thirty years by the way. Moderate labour, that is, Labour was hijacked by Momentum some time ago and the policies have become progressively more insane and outlandish as the elections have gone on)

We will have to move as dh's company (and other companies associated) will leave the UK they have made it very clear from day one back in 2017. It is untenable because Labour are so anti business, the combination of the tax hikes, four day working week and lack of capital investment will make it impossible to stay. Sydney is an option I believe.

I will be glad to be on the first flight out of here if it happens, it will be a an unholy mess for decades.

I wouldn't vote on women's rights issues despite being horrified at what is going on. The reason is I think it is more impotant this time to vote on the issues that are unlikely to be changed by lobbying MPs. I think there is high likelihood of influencing MPs on women's issues post-election because so many people are affected - and most women have no idea it is actually happening.

On the other hand, I think a vote for the Conservatives will very likely lead to the loss of the NHS and a hard Brexit which will ruin the economy - if those happen then there will be widespread misery for anyone who isn't super rich so that is my priority.

It is untenable because Labour are so anti business, the combination of the tax hikes, four day working week and lack of capital investment will make it impossible to stay.

Remind me again, who said "Fuck Business"?
We aren't all going to start working four days under a Labour government, but I do believe it is something worth working towards. Have you actually seen how much the tax hikes will cost most people? It is very little, it can barely be called a "hike". Do you not question the morality of living in one of the world's richest countries and having such a high percentage of children in poverty? Does that not bother you at all?

Corbyn will make a great Father Christmas and that is about it!

Corbyn is far too old, too far out, too muddled and confused for anyone to seriously consider him for Prime Minster.
It is like some weird messed up nightmare considering such a weak and feeble man is going to lead this country into a successful future. It is beyond deluded, it is dangerously so.

@Considermesometimes

“ Corbyn is terrifying, anyone voting for him and by extension MOMENTUM is voting for an instant hard recession and the end of life as we know it. ”

You don’t think you’re being just maybe a tiny bit dramatic?