To change who I'm voting for based on one news story?

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This one ->

www.itv.com/news/2019-11-27/jeremy-corbyn-says-uncensored-documents-show-nhs-is-part-of-toxic-post-brexit-trade-talks-with-us/

I had already decided to vote for the conservatives, mainly because I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the others who seem hell bent on gleefully ripping up womens rights. I've always voted so abstaining/spoiling wasn't an option.

But after reading/watching the above I think I am going to switch to voting labour. We are a disabled family, and could never afford to pay for healthcare (and I doubt insurance would touch us with a barge pole).

I don't like Momentum/Corbyn really but I'd rather complain and fight for my right to a single sex ward than not be able to use one at all

Re: brexit I voted remain in the last referendum but to be honest just have fatigue about the whole thing, so I'm not basing my vote on any of that. (Though seems a second vote isn't that terrible an idea).

Just posting because I can't see anything on here about this yet and I've gone from feeling quietly confident that Conservatives would win to feeling nervous about it now. Anyone else?

Do some more research first. Read about what the document really is and what it really says.

So much this. If you think that we're heading for healthcare ceasing to be free at the point of use, you've got the wrong end of the stick.

YANBU. We rely on the schools and the NHS and many are worse off than us and need them even more. I will be voting Labour.

I find it hard to fathom anyone with a disability, reliant on the NHS, benefits would even give a thought to voting Tory, as well as voting leave!! OP, you and your DP really need to get better informed to what are priorities.

I don't believe for a second Labour will "save" the NHS, if nothing else they will make it crumble much faster.

Brexit is what makes this particular situation possible though. If it weren't for brexit we wouldn't be having to try and negotiate trade deals with the US from a position of weakness.

Doesn't matter how much we talk about the NHS being off the table. We don't hold the power here.

YANBU you should vote with your conscience, I could never vote for a party so eager to ethnically cleanse a whole race. So, I'm voting labour.

OP, I feel a bit like this today. The NHS tops everything else for me. Let’s see what the Conservatives come back with!

Yes, do watch the Dispatches programme on Channel 4 catchup if you can

What about DD's social benefits in the future? It's not just the NHS you have to worry about.

YANBU.

You will get the Tories swearing blind that this is all bluster and nonsense. But it is not. It’s not just what the US wants (the cache is available to read online) it’s what was being discussed as viable options post-Brexit.

The Tories are going to sell us out, to keep their millionaire/billionaire pals happy and there’s nothing we can do, except not vote for them.

The main thing I think to keep to the fore is the Tory fantasy slogan ‘Britain deserves better’
This would be suitable for a party trying to get in, they’ve been in for 9 years; and have done bugger all except negative things ie add £1 trillion to the ND.
Tory voters are selfish and self serving, why would you think this band of greedy millionaires care about you? QT and it’s man whining about tax increases, if I’m earning £80k+ I think I can pay and extra £8 to help better society; selfish prick!

HideYourBabiesAndYourBeadwork as I said earlier, they were the best of a bad bunch re: self ID.

As a survivor of SA I need to know that when I request a female practitioner for personal exams that they are actually a woman. My Labour/Libdem candidates essentially told me that unless I accepted a hypothetical bearded, conpletely male looking trans woman to do this then I would be a bigot. I wouldn't go to my appointments, or stay in a hospital ward if that was the case.

Our Tory MP said that was unacceptable and that no sane person would back that opinion. He is the only one that didn't turn on me for my emailed concerns.

However, as I've said, I'd rather fight for my rights to single sex spaces when there is still a chance of me getting appointments/on a ward at all.

shouldistayorshouldirun civil servants who have shit all idea of how to negotiate contracts and run businesses negotiated the PFI and outsourcing of DHL and PIP. You would never ever get someone who worked in private industry sign on the dotted line on those contracts.

OP as PPs have said you need to do more research on what party you are voting for at every single election whether it is a General or Council election.

I think I've mentioned before most thinking people I know vote tactically on the most important issues to them. For example if the Greens are the second party in your constituency then voting Labour means it would make it more likely you will have a Tory MP then a Tory government.

Put your postcode in here and have a good look at results from 2017 and 2015 to see the main two parties fighting out your constituency. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results/england

I'm glad that this document has been published and people are finally seeing the reality of any deal with the US. There's no way they'll offer us a trade deal without getting their hands on the NHS, and we should be clear that it would not be an equal relationship. They ask, we give.

On the issue of women's rights, austerity has consistently punished women more than any other group. Every benefit cut, every cut to public services, has disproportionately impacted women. They have no regard to women's rights.

Hinchingbrooke, that failed experiment in franchising out healthcare, is my local hospital. Unfortunately the 2013 Health and Social Care Act now means the NHS is now being systematically privatised by stealth. Anyone who wants universal health care free at the point of delivery to continue should never entertain a Tory vote.

I am so glad this story changed your mind!

I did my dissertation on the US health system. Scary scary stuff.

Though Labour do have faults, they will never sell the NHS.

Yanbu, I'm type 1 diabetic, insulin dependent, diabetics in USA die everyday due to not being able to afford insulin. Anyone with a life long condition would be crazy to vote Tory.

There are 2 ways to kill off the NHS. You can sell it off, like the Conservatives will do. Or you can crash the economy, so you cannot afford to fund it, which is what Labour will do.

So all we need to do is choose how we want the NHS ruined
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Labour won’t crash the economy. www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/general-election-labour-economy-spending-corbyn-boris-johnson-a9218041.htmlLabour

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No one’s buying the ‘Labour will run out of money’ bollocks. Come on Tories, better arguments on a postcard.

I'm gonna love coming back to all these hyperbolic threads in a few years time and resurrect them and ask "have they sold off the NHS yet, or are you still able to get free healthcare like normal?" And the answer will undoubtedly be, "yes you can still just rock up at the hospital and be treated, and not have to sell your house to pay for it". I'll give it 5 years and ask again, then another 5 if the Conservatives win again.

Private contracts and tenders have been part of the NHS for years and will actually continue to do so even if Labour scrape to power, the increase in privatisation was higher percentage wise at 2010, than it was at 2015 ironically. I recently heard of someone in NHS procurement organising a contract with a Swedish company, where's the hysteria that they're selling the NHS off to the Swedes?

@Biker47 read the 451 page document before you start spouting your smugness.

It’s not putting the portions of the NHS out for tender. Research people!

YANBU. There are not many people who haven't had a least one member of the extended family and friends needing nhs treatment during the last year. We are an ordinary family, all working, no major health issues but when I had a quick count of nhs use amongst friends and family it came to a lot. A couple of minor operations, 2 cancer diagnosis, 4 babies born, one old person with several emergency admittances, 2 broken bones. I would not like to add up the cost of this without the nhs or an nhs done through private insurance. That's without adding in dental care. gp services, and sundry tests like smears, breast tests ext. No one knows when they are going to need the nhs for something serious and systems like the usa are often linked to work place schemes. All very well when in work but imagine if you are suddenly made redundant and you get a serious illness. As I understand it these schemes run out as well so if you've had your allocated medical care under your insurance it stops. I am going for labour because I want free medical care at the point of delivery for everybody. Anything less seems uncivilized in a first world country. Of course it has to be paid for and a bit of extra tax seems worth it to me.