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If this was the response you heard in the background on the phone, how would you feel?

215 replies

Alrighteo · 23/11/2019 19:23

Context: Relates to two family members.

Have been trying to get through to one family member unsuccessfully for about a week now (emails & whatsapp calls/messages). Nothing answered.

So I rang another family member, who I knew was in the company of the one I was trying to get through to. The second one who answered the phone said, 'she's busy now, she's cooking dinner' and I said 'it's literally 2 seconds to clarify something.

Second family member says to the elusive one 'Can you spare two seconds?'. First family member says 'FFS WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HER NOW?'.

For various reasons I can't eliminate contact with first family member. So what would you do, what would you think? My brother has recommended a book to me (though he has a different experience/relationship with first family member).

How do I deal with someone who is an utterly manipulative, bullying cunt and maintain my sanity?

As an analogy, think ex husband, and you're ringing about an issue with the children, you get through to his sister and that's what you hear in the background...........

OP posts:
iamadalek2 · 24/11/2019 17:43

@purplelila2 it doesn't add up at all.

Passthecherrycoke · 24/11/2019 17:47

I stick my oar in constantly, just so dd and my mother know that I am watching. One foot moves slightly crooked and I will intervene

Intervene and do what though? There isn’t anything you can do?

Purplelila Ops mum and daughter are in Ireland so benefits are different

HeyMissyYouSoFine · 24/11/2019 17:48

Next time you are sending different things. Address them with instructions.

^^ This.

The behavior won't change apparently the situation won't change - so it's finding ways to avoid conflict.

Ginger1982 · 24/11/2019 18:53

I'm still staggered that you say your mum is 'evil personified', that she is abusing your DD, that your DD is petrified of her and yet you've allowed her to raise your child for a decade.

WokingPizza · 24/11/2019 19:12

Flowers. I hope the next three years speed by until your daughter is an adult and can leave. Flowers

mathanxiety · 24/11/2019 19:24

I wanted to know whether I was bu to believe that I am not being unreasonable to be upset at how my mother talks about me in front of my dd and others.........

It was intemperate and conveyed contempt. She absolutely should not have done it.

You come across as a good mother, with the ability and determination to put your DD first. I understand your reluctance to start proceedings to get her back. A court order situation could go either way, though most likely against you, given the DD is with family and you are in the UK in accommodation that is only suitable for one.

My advice to you would be to maintain contact with DD as much as you possibly can, keep on demonstrating your love for her, and keep channels of communication open for her. I would encourage your siblings to keep in contact with her too if they are not already, even the brother who did not have your back.

This may be hard, but try not to bad mouth your mother when talking to DD. Don't give her the impression that she is caught in the middle of a struggle between you and your mother. There will be plenty of time to debrief DD and compare notes when she is able to make up her own mind about where she lives. Focus on keeping the contact frequent and positive for now.

Keep up the work on your journey to better mental health.
Flowers
Try to anticipate problems like when presents might be opened, and figure out how you can avoid the need for communication with your mother. In the case of the presents, writing 'FOR CHRISTMAS' prominently on the package would have avoided the need for contact.

You most likely feel that somehow, some time, if you keep on trying, a stone will be rolled away, or the wind will part the waters, and your mother will have a change of heart. Maybe you hold onto the hope that one day you will receive what you need from your mother in terms of affirmation and decent treatment. It is incredibly hard to deal with being cast as the black sheep, being scapegoated, rejected, used as someone else's emotional punching bag. Have you ever had therapy to deal specifically with the effects of narcissistic parental abuse? Giving up the hope of love is incredibly wrenching, and involves grief even worse than that associated with death because while there is life we always want to hope.

Ginger1982, and others, the DD and the OP's mother are in Ireland, where social services prefer to keep extended family involved as much as possible in fostering arrangements. The OP most likely had absolutely no choice about where her DD ended up, and narcissists can bamboozle people very effectively into believing they are nice people.

SmellMySmellbow · 24/11/2019 19:30

Can she not leave next year? I moved out at 16. But that was in England and a few decades plus ago... have laws changed? Can you move back to Ireland and near your mother so she can still be near friends etc, but be NC with your mother? It's possible to be in the same town as someone, or a neighbouring town, and have zero contact. You both know you hate each other so it's not like you need to make any pretence, and your daughter is old enough to make arrangements without intervention.

mathanxiety · 24/11/2019 20:49

She could not move out at 16. Kids stay in school longer in Ireland - to 18, and she would have nowhere to live. There is a massive housing shortage in Ireland, rents are sky high, and she would not have any hope of council accommodation. Leaving school with just the Junior Cert under her belt would be incredibly stupid.

PapayaCoconut · 24/11/2019 21:11

50% of you think it's acceptable.

I think many of us just find it's unsurprising that sometime who is abusive and a generally all-round horrible person should say something like that.

AnneLovesGilbert · 25/11/2019 00:03

I might have missed it but why does your daughter think she lives with her grandmother and not her mum?

How often do you see her? Has she ever come to your flat?

sweeneytoddsrazor · 25/11/2019 00:13

Where is her Dad in all of this?

ThatsMeInTheSpotlight · 25/11/2019 10:06

math how do you know she'd have nowhere to live? Apparently part of the reason she stays with her gran is because there is a big family support network there. We have no way of knowing if she could move in with another family member when she's 16 or if they have accommodation she could use.

OP rather than obsessing about an overheard remark and trying to 'keep an oar in so you can cause problems', why not focus on your health and trying to find a job if possible (even some volunteering). Until you seem more stable, you're not able to offer any alternatives to your DD.

IWorkAtTheCheesecakeFactory · 25/11/2019 10:20

Sad situation all round.

Clearly a lot of anger on your part OP, are you having any counselling? I think you would benefit from some. You’re holding a lot of anger and it isn’t helping either you or your DD.

icantbecani · 25/11/2019 10:41

Could your dd go and live with your father op? Has your dd ever said to you that your mother is abusing her?

mathanxiety · 25/11/2019 16:51

The siblings of the OP apparently live abroad. The OP's mum lives in Ireland. The mum's exH (OP's father) lives close enough to look in but there is not a good relationship there.

The DD is in a certain school with a group of friends (her own support system if you like), and is either doing the Junior Cert this year or next year. Moving to live with some other family member might mean moving to a different school, having to make new friends, and even doing a different section of a syllabus and trying to catch up with lots of material in a short amount of time.

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