To be dreading the morning after the election?

[ohhhhlivia]

When they announce a Tory majority with Johnson at the helm?

Then it's all down hill. Every time I've know a Tory government get it, living standards have dropped where I live. Every time.

Have a genuine feeling of foreboding.

Anyone else?

I get so annoyed when people catastrophise one PM/party in government but continue with I refuse to support the other option. Corbyn may be a wet blanket as a leader but he still is answerable to his party so he won’t walk into a dictatorship. I’m not a labour voter but if it’s a choice between the two I know for sure I’d rather a labour government than a boris led tory government. These are fairly drastic times and they require drastic measures. I’m luck I have alternatives where I live but if it was a choice of two and one is right wing then I’d vote for the other party. Politics needs to stop being about personalities and needs to start being about policies. Which party’s policies do you prefer not do you like Jeremy’s tie or boris’s hair implants... ?

Well Corbyn's closest ally John McDonnell has proudly claimed to be a Marxist - so it's no stretch to assume Corbyn is too surely?
Walks like a duck
Talks like a duck
Looks like a duck

It's a fucking duck

Someone on Question time called J C ' a marxist'
This is what people hear. You will never change their minds. It's deliberate policy. Every Conservative who says anything about Labour of JC slips in the word "Marxist", they've been doing it for quite a while. It isn't that they've all come to the same conclusion, it's a directive from HQ. And sure enough after enough repetitions it becomes the accepted "truth". Can you imagine the NHS being set up in the current climate?

Well I will be voting labour. Our MP is a decent chap and he has a son with autism so actually seems to give a shit about school budget cuts.
Why anyone would vote for Johnson or Farage is still beyond me.

Haven’t read TFT.... but actually I’d take a hung parliament over most alternatives😬....some semblance of compromise may actually be reached...or not...but it might give some the time they need to realise that Boris’ deal is still a shit option compared to what the UK currently has. But hey, the British public have apparently ‘had enough of expertise’ and prefer the freaking clowns🤡🤦🏼‍♀️. This gives Boris the mandate to say ‘the public made me do it’ when the chickens finally roost, rather than admit his duplicitous, power angling idiocy. And in the interests of equality even the stalwart (haven’t changed their minds) Brexiteers I know are cr@pping themselves at the shit deal...

So Mere McDonnell must be a Conservative stooge then? After all, he himself claims to be a Marxist!

Majority of people will not vote for a far left party.

Lol at the idea that Labour is a far left party! I think someone's been reading too much DM.

Personally, I think this election represents a monumental error of judgement by the Johnson/Cummings collective - who could have had us out of the EU by Xmas if they weren't so obsessed with their no deal hedge fund bonanza Brexit (not that that's what I want, I hasten to add). I think the Tories will suffer a humiliating defeat at the ballot box and I for one can't wait. I'll be staying up all night on 12/13 December and may well upgrade my customary post-election fry-up to a champagne breakfast if it all goes how I hope and expect.

FPTP sucks, but I think it's pretty obvious in most constituencies how to vote to avoid a repeat of the asset-stripping hatefulness of the last 10 years.

I should add the reasons the Brexiteers I know haven’t changed their minds despite the deal being shit is because they’re wealthy enough that it doesn’t matter...they’ll be alright Jack🤬

It’s the reasons for not voting Labour on some threads eg, remembering ‘15% interest rates’ and not wanting to go back there. Eh? Only time i remember it being that high was the 80’s.

As a Conservative voter I'm looking forward to it [grin[

I'm over tired, and read that as 'afraid of the morning after erection'

trulybaffled Labour were in power during arguably the UK’s worst ever recession in 1976 - we had to beg the IMF to bail the country out. Inflation rose to 20% and when Maggie Thatcher got in she increased interest rates to 17% to try and combat it. To you it may be the distant past but to anyone 50+ I’d guess it’s memorable & relevant.

I don’t want the Tories or Labour to win....I’m actually starting to hope an alien invasion from Mars will come and save the country from being entirely humiliated by useless idiots beforehand🤞

I don't want the tories in so I will vote labour. Don't give a shit who's the leader. Voting on the party not the leader. Labour are closest to my ideals. Tories are not.

People not voting labour because of JC will cause tories to win.

Britain is deffo a right wing country

metro.co.uk/2019/10/24/girl-4-in-wheelchair-told-shes-a-drain-on-society-and-shouldnt-be-alive-10975552/ Girl 4, in wheelchair told she’s a ‘drain on society’ and shouldn’t be alive

A four-year-old girl is ‘traumatised’ after a man screamed abuse at her in her wheelchair and told her she ‘shouldn’t have been born’. Quinn Ross, who has a rare childhood condition called Perthes’ disease, was on her way to school with her mum Emma and big brother Alex, 10, when the thug began ‘yelling in her face’. Emma, 32, said the abuse in Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, was ‘appalling’. She said: ‘The man was yelling in her face, saying she shouldn’t have been born, she was a drain on the NHS, a drain on society and that I should have had her aborted if I’d known she was going to be disabled. ‘I pushed him away, power-walked off to school and it was the school who phoned the police.’ Quinn, whose condition affects her hip bone making it agonising to walk, is now in counselling after telling her mum she didn’t want to be seen in her wheelchair

Emma added: ‘Quinn is now scared of men and doesn’t like going out in her wheelchair. It left her feeling very angry at the world, but we’ve had a lot of support.’

t is hoped that Quinn will one day not need the wheelchair but she can currently only walk 10 to 15 steps at a time. Police are treating the attack last month as a disability hate crime. PC Terasa Holden said: ‘No-one should worry about leaving home and facing abuse, particularly a little girl who is in too much pain to walk to school because of a rare medical condition. ‘My colleagues and I have worked to support Quinn and her family and hope other people will come forward and report this kind of crime. ‘We want people to know that we take all reports of hate crime very seriously and will always investigate

I don’t envy Americans their healthcare system, food safety standards, environmental protection laws or employment rights

Brit in the US, the US is certainly not as bad as you make it out to be. It’s certainly better than the UK

@Mistlewoeandwhine
Labour don’t ‘associate with terrorists’. Corbyn talked to terrorists as part of Labour moves towards peace and the GFA. He won a peace award for it. You can’t have peace without listening to both sides.

I note that you didn't challenge that Labour are anti Semitic though? Suppose difficult to do so given the evidence and Labour being investigated by the Equalities and Human Rights Commission. The senior leaders of Labour should be ashamed of themselves for their inaction and allowing such sentiment and behaviour to be so prevalent

Brit in the US, the US is certainly not as bad as you make it out to be. It’s certainly better than the UK

Also spent a lot of time in the US. It’s only anyway near fine if you have money.

I already pay far more than is reasonable,

I second that! It's obscene how much I'm paying in tax. I'd feel pretty pissed off if I've got to pay more.

Thatcher got in she increased interest rates to 17% to try and combat it. To you it may be the distant past but to anyone 50+ I’d guess it’s memorable & relevant.

I can remember her doing that, the look on my mum and dads faces I will never forget, they went as white as a sheet. I was certainly old enough to understand why as well.

I find the first rise in infant mortality pretty obscene, but each to their own.

www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/latest/2019/10/childpovertydeaths/

In case anybody is interested.

This is why we should pay more tax.

It's my 40th birthday on the 13th, this has already put a downer on it. I used to enjoy politics but not anymore, DP usually stays up watching results, hopefully he won't this time but he'll be on his phone the whole Friday giving a running commentary about who's lost seats etc. Not my idea of fun on our first weekend away in about 7 years.
I hope labour manage to win, I'd happily pay more tax if it means that twat Johnson is no longer around and the rest of the Self serving bunch of crooks.

This is why we should pay more tax.

But how much is more, what is an acceptable level? The more that is taken off you, the greater the impact on your own family on being able to live.

Whilst it won't go down well, I would most certainly resent paying more than I am already.

Labour are NOT ‘hard left’. They are moderate socialists

I don’t disagree, but the electorate don’t want even moderate socialism. One of the reasons Maggie was in power for so long and returned with two thumping majorities