To be dreading the morning after the election?

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When they announce a Tory majority with Johnson at the helm?

Then it's all down hill. Every time I've know a Tory government get it, living standards have dropped where I live. Every time.

Have a genuine feeling of foreboding.

Anyone else?

And I don’t say that because of Boris or Brexit really, but for the poverty they have inflicted on this country.

I will never forgive them the homelessness, the benefit cuts, the bedroom tax... people are being treated like animals.

Oh i know The80s, Labour seem to think they can win now.. that's what i mean, they're so out of touch with what the public think of them.. and i say that as a lifelong Labour supporter, up to now!

The biggest problem is that the election is being used as a proxy second referendum

The only reason there even is an election is because the UK can't decide how to brexit or revoke. The UK can't keep asking the EU for extensions. It needs to stop.

The only reason there even is an election is because the UK can't decide how to brexit or revoke.

Absolutely, but the only sensible solution to that is to ask people to vote directly on Brexit, giving them a concrete set of options all of which are actually possible. Instead we're going to have an election that is only indirectly a Brexit referendum in which lots of people will continue to promise impossible things that they then can't deliver on, which will solve absolutely nothing.

I think a few shadowy ' momentum' people should read the Brexit / politics threads on mumsnet! They might get a huge shock.

Absolutely, but the only sensible solution to that is to ask people to vote directly on Brexit

Go ahead and campaign for that. What to do with Brexit is much more important and has a bigger impact than any temporary government that you don't agree on. It is the only important question in this election.

Politics is dire. I so wish there were some better options but I really draw the line at people that are anti Semitic, in denial and readily associate with terrorists. I just cannot vote for them. Betrays every thing I have ever believed in. I just can't believe this is Her Majesty's opposition!

What to do with Brexit is much more important and has a bigger impact than any temporary government that you don't agree on. It is the only important question in this election.

If you think this election has any chance of delivering a clear path for Brexit then I think you're delusional. Even a stonking Johnson majority won't deliver that because it'll be built on him promising things that won't ultimately be delivered.

Well, it's a turn up for the books anyway. Usually, no matter how badly a party's doing in the polls, there'll be a fair sized group insisting they really can do this, but I'm just not seeing it this time; the general feeling seems to be that Labour have had it, and if folk don't even bother to vote on that basis they may do even worse

Still, if it forces them to face reality and junk Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott et al, it's all to the good in the end

Yup, totally agree. And it's shit.

If you think this election has any chance of delivering a clear path for Brexit then I think you're delusional.

It might not be clear but something will have to happen sooner or later. Or do you think that the UK can spend the next 50 years asking for extensions every few months?. I've been reading for years that remainers should have won the vote, about lies on busses and that there are more young people now so remain would win now. Well then, prove it.

Puzzle, totally agree!

Labour don’t ‘associate with terrorists’. Corbyn talked to terrorists as part of Labour moves towards peace and the GFA. He won a peace award for it. You can’t have peace without listening to both sides.

The Tories, on the other hand, fund Saudi bombs which kill children and maybe no one wants to bring up Thatcher’s friendship with Pinochet?

Usually, no matter how badly a party's doing in the polls, there'll be a fair sized group insisting they really can do this, but I'm just not seeing it this time

For what it's worth my twitter timeline is currently full of people (young, almost all academics) who totally believe Corbyn will pull off a miracle in this GE. They're a small and unrepresentative group, and I think they're very wrong, but they do exist.

And Labour are NOT ‘hard left’. They are moderate socialists. Anyone who says that is sadly parroting the mainstream media who have their own agenda. Labour’s manifesto is brilliant and has been thoroughly costed out. It would improve the lives of ordinary people massively.

A right winger leaver was put in his place on Facebook rambling on about ' Corbyn the terrorise sympathiser' when someone mentioned Pinochet and his beloved Mrs T.
He took his rant down!

Watching from a safe distance so not as invested as you lot but FWIW I think Farage will split the leave vote and you'll end up with a Lab/Lib/SNP coalition with a new referendum on both Brexit and Scottish independence. As things go it's probably the best outcome.

The neverendum! It will still be going on this time next year. Watch this space.

For what it's worth my twitter timeline is currently full of people (young, almost all academics) who totally believe Corbyn will pull off a miracle in this GE. They're a small and unrepresentative group, and I think they're very wrong, but they do exist.

I see that all the time on here. The typical comment is “no one I know would EVER vote Troy and we are all very highly paid and just care so much about this country.”

Sorry, but that stinks to me of living in an echo chamber. If you only know people with exactly the same educational background and political views as you then you are either very young or associate with a very limited group of people (probably in academia).

I can honestly say that I know people from all educational and all social backgrounds who would vote for pretty much all major parties.

Totally agree OP.

Steppemum- why do you say that?

I'd rather be a stag at bay, all daubed in coulours brown and gory, or any creature, any day, than be a bloody tory.

I can't vote for boris or Corbyn because round here a vote for a turd in a teapot would win blue ground.

Someone needs to go on twitter and tell these bright young things that Corbyn will never be PM ; end of the story.
His a lost cause. I just hope he has the dignity to step down on the 13th December.
He probably won't! I don't hate the man but I feel frustrated his in that job!

Stop being so defeatist and get out there and do something about it. As they say in the trade union movement, don't ask what your union can do for you, but what you can do for your union. If you want change you're going to have to work for it.

They will say we can't win because they don't want us to but that has been said every single time people have demanded better living and working conditions - and ordinary people have proved them wrong.

Get out to your nearest marginal, hand out some leaflets or chuck their campaign a few bob if you can't spare the time but have a quid or two you can put in the kitty. There is no excuse for tolerating more of this through inaction.

Even if you aren't Labour, voting Labour is the only way out of this hell under First Past the Post so work towards common goals and hold them to account once in power as the world will still be a far fairer place than it is right now even if for some reason it doesn't exactly reflect your politics. We can fix the details later but we need to save our NHS from certain destruction, resolve the housing crisis and get a grip on workers' rights and the climate disaster awaiting us first. Labour have excellent policy in all these areas.

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This is what people hear. You will never change their minds.