To feel under attack about sanpro

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Mainly the brand changing its packaging to be trans friendly. Are we slowly eradicating womenhood? Along with " pregnant person". It feels such a slippery slope.

Next they will take offence about the sanitary bins being the toilets as it will be triggering. I mean FFS its getting absolutely ridiculous.

Just curious, why does sorting out women's inequality sort out the rest of the world's inequality? Why not race inequality? Or financial inequality? I'm not aiming to derail your post, but I don't understand the statement and wonder what I'm missing.

Daniel it might be certain aspects of their range. I don't think it's that new. I know the ones I have in the cupboard have the venus symbol on them.
Are people writing to P&G to complain or is there a petition to show how many women are annoyed about this and will stop buying Always as a result?

ermm nope.

There are things in the sphere of trans activism that are worth getting worried about (eg. trans women who have been convicted of rape housed with female prisoners). A change to packaging that you wouldn't have given a shiny shit about if someone hadn't linked it to trans issues is NOT one of them.

We won't solve period poverty if we can't name women's issues for fear of offending. This is just misogyny in a shiny woke wrapper.

Ben should get a grip.
And some therapy.

I don't get it, you want panty liners to all have venus symbols on them? Why??

I've actually never even seen a panty liner with a venus symbol on, I doubt very much I'll disappear in a puff of smoke if they're gone.

@AtrociousCircumstance I'm in the same boat. I bulk order sanpro and have always bought Always. I have some Bodyform on the way but no idea if they are okay.

Just curious, why does sorting out women's inequality sort out the rest of the world's inequality?

Because women make up half the worlds population.. get us in line with the other half and Bang! Equality

I don't get it, you want panty liners to all have venus symbols on them? Why??

No, but I don't want a sign used for female removed because it offends some people. Particularly when the same brand won't remove perfume from it's products when many, many women ask them to.

I agree wholeheartedly M3lon

I see few threads concerning the issues you describe. Yet there's countless threads started about things like this and bloody Flora.

"Trans women aren't buying sanpro". I imagine the autogynephilic ones find it very useful, for keeping their undies stain free/to abosorb all that "feminine discharge" they have

Presumably the brand themselves know better than you whether scented products are popular with consumers?

It seems ridiculous to be so offended by something you wouldn't have even noticed.

I’ve no issue it’s this. I’m in no way erased by it.

fridgepants, I find it very easy to get angry about many things. This is just one of an ever growing list of brands / people more worried about upsetting one person rather than 51% of the population. I'm fed up of the bloody pandering and the virtue signalling.

If these companies gave a shiny shit about period poverty* they could easily do something but no, far better to be seen to pander to the latest trendy cause.

• Incidentally, I give a regular donation of towels to a homeless appeal near me along with bags and baby wipes as well as helping making sure my teacher friend has a regular stock to leave on the girls toilets at her school in a deprived area.

Happy of course you're not 'erased' by it. We're not Puff the magic dragon. No-one is erased by words - not even the TRAs who consistently claim to be What Always has done is infer that sex and biology are trumped by 'identity'; implied that you can 'identify' out of sex - which is nonsense and insulting; and proven that when female customers complain they ignore them but when people with a trans 'identity' complain, they act.
They could have introduced a new 'gender free' range. They could have listened to the women who complained about the scented range. They could have listened to the women in Africa who are currently flooding Twitter with the issues they brought to Always' attention and Always ignored.
The thinking behind the removal of the sign is quite a big statement on the disrespect Always has for its core consumers.

I don’t like this. I mentioned it on Twitter earlier, and someone responded saying it was no different to gender neutral children’s clothing. Errr...

Out of interest, how is Ben accessing sanitary bins in public toilets if he needs them? I know places like universities are making toilets gender neutral, and small cafes tend to only have one loo for everyone - what about shopping centres, airports, stations etc? Are there now bins in the men’s loos?

No, but I don't want a sign used for female removed because it offends some people.

Why not? Surely that's a perfectly reasonable reason to remove it? If I'm flogging panty liners I want them to appeal to the people who use them, and some of them don't like it. I've never even seen it myself so I can't imagine being very attached to it.

I'm more confused now, is this about trans women? Why wouldn't they like a venus symbol? Isn't it trans men? What's wrong with supporting trans men when all it takes is not putting something on a packet that no one else gives a shit about anyway?

The thinking behind the removal of the sign is quite a big statement on the disrespect Always has for its core consumers.

This, just this.

YABU to feel under attack. That’s an over-reaction to this.

As a PP said, had the packet image altered without the context of having (allegedly) come about as a response to a request from a trans person, no one would be talking about it at all, let alone posting multiple threads in AIBU using hyperbolic language to frame it as a dangerous scary attack on women.

Well of course if it wasn't an attack on women we wouldn't be complaining about it being an attack on women
Everyone who has a period is a biological woman. The Venus sign is always used to refer to women as a sex, not "feminine things".

Only females menstruate. Transmen are female. You can identify how you want, dress how you want and call yourself what you want, but identity does not change your biology - your chromosomes, your organs, your bone density. Identifying as a man does not magically remove your uterus.

I'm all for treating people with respect and calling them what they want to be called. However, it's women who have periods. This is a fact.

It's not about Women missing the symbol on packaging, it's about the steady erosion of all things female.

All of the above.

Be interesting to see if their sales drop due to this and I hope they do.

Or will the people they are so scared of offending be picking up the retail slack........ for their empathy cramps and all.