Mainly the brand changing its packaging to be trans friendly. Are we slowly eradicating womenhood? Along with " pregnant person". It feels such a slippery slope.
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Ibleedibreedibreaatfeed · 21/10/2019 19:12
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PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind ·
29/10/2019 17:38
Trans people have gender dysphoria, a medically recognised and inalienable discomfort - a profound discomfort - with being associated with one gender or another.
This is what you said @crankyassnoperope and you were saying it to shut up another poster and minimise their concerns. 'Trans people have gender dysphoria'. Then when you got called out on it you backtracked.
I'll tell you what it looks like from where I'm standing.
Transsexual people were always recognised, and always said themselves, that they had gender dysphoria. A mental disorder that meant that they found their own physical body very distressing and who sometimes found that living according to societies perception of the opposite sex alleviated that discomfort. Generally these people were few and far between.
Then the movement started to take off and certain trans activists decided that they wanted to start appropriating womanhood, gain unfettered access to women's spaces, women's sports, women's awards, tell women that talking about issues related to their biology was 'exclusionary'. Unfortunately for them, women started objecting to this rather than just rolling over and saying 'sure, we will budge over for you'.
So trans activists had to start using different (increasingly desperate if this week's Independent article is anything to go by!) strategies in order to try and silence these objections. One of those strategies was to co-opt the homophobia of the past and claim that the arguments that women are using now are exactly the same as homophobic arguments. And here you get the 'being trans is not a mental illness because being gay is not a mental illness and how very dare you suggest it is'.
Unfortunately this poses a few problems, one of which has been seen on this thread - trans activists cannot simultaneously use the 'trans is not a mental illness you know, you are just as bad as the old homophobes' argument whilst also using the 'trans people have gender dysphoria, it's a medical condition you know, so you have to be nice to them and do what they want'. It also proves to be a bit of an issue when trans activists are using the 'if you don't do what I want I'm going to kill myself' or the 'if you don't allow children to go on irreversible life changing drugs before they have barely reached puberty they will kill themselves' lines, but that's another thread.
Would still also quite like a definition of what BEING TRANS is in the context that you meant it. I presume you mean 'identifies with the stereotypes most commonly associated with the opposite sex' which to me just means 'having a personality'.
If you want to come back and enlighten us I would appreciate it 
crankyassnoperope ·
29/10/2019 16:35
What are your sources?
This is crazy, every single fact-based source will tell you this 
The DSM, the NHS, the lot. This isn't politicised information; trans people exist, many suffer from dysphoria. Being trans is a NOT an illness to be "cured"; but dysphoria, which many (but not all) trans people suffer from, IS a medically recognised condition which is usually curable by transitioning.
This is the weirdest thread and I'm sort of done with the regurgitated misinformation. Pink panty liners with venus symbols on is not something feminists march for, and we don't live a world so snowflakey and "PC gorn maaaad" that saying gender dysphoria exists is transphobic. I'm going back to reality now, so... bye.
crankyassnoperope ·
29/10/2019 11:46
It is transphobic to say that trans people have a mental disorder, which is what you said when you said they have gender dysphoria, a 'medically recognised condition'.
Bollocks. You are absolutely on glue. Don't you know the difference between a disorder and a condition? Don't you know the difference between gender dysphoria and BEING TRANS??
No-one thinks gender dysphoria is transphobic
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