Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

She should be brought back. She was a CHILD and she was groomed. The people that groomed her knew exactly what to do and who to target. She was vulnerable and they saw that and groomed her.

Doubt she’s a threat and even if she is why can’t they bring her back and just keep her in prison? I find the whole thing shocking and disgusting that people are being so racist.

@ISpeakJive she was a child FFS. A child that was vulnerable and targeted and groomed.

Honestly? I don’t think she’s the important. She’s being held up as an example by the media disproportionately, and it’s snowballed. There is a fair bit of misogyny involved

Let her back but under VERY VERY controlled circumstances.

I think she was a naive and vulnerable child who was groomed and now she has grown up and matured, she’s realised how vast her mistakes actually were. Most teenagers make volatile decisions, they just thankfully don’t tend to ruin their lives.

Same age as Greta Thunberg at the time of her radicalisation, wasn't she.

So Greta Thunberg is a child who is being manipulated for nefarious purposes by shadowy adults and is to be pitied (and rescued) but Sharmina Begum should be damned for all eternity and rot where she is.

Seems legit.

I too view her as a groomed child and think she should be returned home. She's a product of our failed society and we should rehabilitate her and improve inequality so other people like her are less tempted to make the same bad choices.

She's realised she's made a mistake because she's miserable rather than because she thinks her ideology is wrong.

Baloo, she was a teenager and she new who ISIS were and what they stood for!

I still stand by my statement. No sympathy whatsoever! My sympathy lies with the innocent people who lost their lives from these barbarians!

She should return and be dealt with by the British courts if there's a case to answer.

I have some (limited) sympathy for her - she is 19 years old and has lost everything. However, my overriding feeling in the matter is that she is a British citizen and our responsibility to deal with. Why the hell we should get to foist her off onto some other country that has enough of its own problems is beyond me.

As far away from her as possible!

15 is above the age of criminal responsibility and what she did is probably on a par with some of the SAS atrocities during WW2. Remember this is the woman who was the figurehead behind mass ‘Islamic enforcement’ beatings / rapes on Syrian women on behalf of Isis. She used social media to talk other young European girls to come to Syria and ‘marry’ a jihadist. She is filth and needs to face justice in Syria.

She still supports extremist ideology.
Would be dangerous.

I have very little sympathy for her and other people who have joined ISIS. or any other criminal organisation.

The priority should be for people actually suffering from the actions of ISIS.

She was old enough to understand killing is bad....the atrocities she helped support over in Syria- I hope she gets everything that's coming to her.

I also saw her first interview with Sky news....zero remorse. I actually doubt the last baby was hers, I think she was angling for sympathy.

She clearly was groomed but she still supports isis and is a threat to the British public. She has showed a shocking lack of compassion for people who have been killed in terror attacks in the UK. She obviously supports the ideology she's been brainwashed into believing so why would we want her here?

She was a child yes, but also knew exactly what she was doing, she planned her trip and went and helped people commit terrible acts in the name of religion.
Every 15 year old knows that murder and torture are wrong. She hates this country our valves and culture, she only wants to come back because she doesn’t like where she is, not because she has changed her beliefs.

I feel desperately sorry for her. She was 15 when she made her awful decision. If a girl runs away with an older man at 15, she is a victim, because 15 year olds are vulnerable. They make stupid decisions. They act in the spur of the moment. They are full of hormones and do things in bizarre moments of passionate emotion without thinking them through. They are trying to find their place in the world, and they are SO easily influenced. She was a child when she went to Syria. Why does nobody care about this? How can we punish someone so harshly for a child’s mistake?!

I don’t believe for a second the claims made against her - that she was a member of the ‘morality police’ - her husband was in jail for 8 months suspected of being a spy so I doubt she was that respected and/or trusted. And after that she was pregnant and a new mother to those poor children. I very much doubt she had time to do anything she’s accused of and it doesn’t surprise me that no evidence has been found to back this up.

She made a mistake - an awful, awful mistake - but she was a CHILD when she made this mistake. What she has been through is unimaginable. Three of her children are dead. She has no family who speak to her, no friends. She is in a horrible, dangerous camp with nothing to do but grieve for her children. It absolutely breaks my heart.

I feel devastated and sickened to be from a country that will leave her there to rot for a mistake she made as an easily influenced child. Does that not make us as bad as people are claiming she is? Doesn’t it make us worse?? Yes she did a stupid thing but she was a CHILD! It is adults - educated adults - making the decision to strip her of her citizenship which is barbaric and inhumane as she has nowhere else to go. She has suffered already, so much, more than I could begin to imagine. It literally makes me tearful to even think about that poor girl. I hope something is done to help her soon. I am ashamed of the way she is being treated and if I could have it my way she’d be brought home immediately and given the emotional support and mental health care that she so desperately needs.

She was groomed. She is a British citizen. She's our problem. I cannot believe the government got away with stripping her of her citizenship. We should all be appalled and worried about that.
Re citizenship rights, and age of consent / grooming. We can't have one rule for some and another for others. The law is the law. Clearly there is a huge issue with understanding the rule of law from our current administration.

I think she should be brought home and psychologically cared for to become a productive member of British society.

"Actions have consequences. Begum and all the other U.K. citizens who travelled to join Daesh made their choices. They now have to live with the consequences of those choices."

But we've let nearly 400 of them back in, including male fighters. So why keep a teenage girl and her newborn out?

We allow hate preachers to stay in our country. We don't necessarily deport criminals, even those that are an ongoing risk.

So again, why did we deny entry to a teenager with a newborn, who had clear proof of being groomed and radicalised.

Our prisons contain radicalised men, who weren't born in the UK, but we are not deporting them.

GummyGoddess Thu 26-Sep-19 10:58:33 She's realised she's made a mistake because she's miserable rather than because she thinks her ideology is wrong.

This.
I think she's dangerous and should not be allowed back. Didn't her husband say they were going to live in the Netherlands (his home country)?

I have some (limited) sympathy for her - she is 19 years old and has lost everything. However, my overriding feeling in the matter is that she is a British citizen and our responsibility to deal with. Why the hell we should get to foist her off onto some other country that has enough of its own problems is beyond me
I agree
I'm conflicted on my views towards her as a person and am reluctant to speculate about her as an individual, but I also think that there are camps in much poorer countries full of European ISIS brides and their children born under ISIS, where ISIS ideology still dominates and there are children being raised in all of that. Those children didn't ask for any of this.

If those children are brought back to their mother's country, they stand a chance at education and a life and a future. The longer the children are growing up in a camp with no education, they are more likely to get their heads filled with extreme ideology about how the west murdered your father and he was a martyr.

On the whole I think she should be brought back to face justice here and her children should have some hope of normality.