Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

I have zero sympathy for her, if she was living in more luxurious conditions would she be wanting to come back? I don't think so.. She still holds dangerous views and has shown no compassion, leave her where she is.

Where she's held) is up the the justice system and relevent authorities

Would that be the various authorities who constantly lose track of returnees, and now can't say where many of them even are?

I have no idea if she was groomed or even vulnerable ergo open to radicalisation. Her family seemed horrified by what she did. I do feel sorry for her she's had a terrible time losing three babies. Though in thought she was a Bangladeshi citizen.

I do not think she should be allowed back, but if we're not allowed to prevent that, then she should be tried for terrorism and incarcerated until the trial.

She has not changed her views , she just wants the benefits of her British citizenship , there has some consequences to deter others from taking the same decisions.

As for those saying she shows no remorse she has been through a very traumatic time many people become very blunt with their emotions it’s a coping mechanism

I agree with with on some level.

Let’s say she was lying about having a good time, lying about still be sympathetic to the cause, lying about wanting her son to be part of IS

So if she is so traumatised and she gets brought back, does she just go in to jail and left to her own dark thoughts or does she get access to thousands upon thousands of pounds worth of intense therapy?

You struggle to get therapy on the NHS for being a rape victim or child abuse victim.why should she be allowed it?

If she doesn’t get intense therapy she will always be a danger. Why should money be funnelled in to helping someone one who was quite happy to send a big fuck you to western society and all the trappings that come with it?

This woman will cost hundreds of thousands of pounds and maybe already is. I can see why they are leaving her where she is.

It cost £300k per year per child to house Venables and Thompson after they killed James Bulger @Evelefteden.

How much does it cost to house Ian Brady?

And Shamima hasn't even killed anyone!

Her family seemed horrified by what she did

So did the family of Amira Abase. Guess what - sometimes people lie if they wish to evade responsibility

she's had a terrible time losing three babies

I don't know either way on this one, but is there any independent evidence confirming this or are we simply expected to take Shamima's word for it?

I dont think she's a threat. She was a child. If she was white and called 'Emily' there would be headlines about how an extremist paedophile groomed her, got her married and pregnant and how we should bring her back to keep her safe.

There are lots or comments about what she does and doesnt think. We dont actually know what she thinks.

@Cadent

It cost £300k per year per child to house Venables and Thompson after they killed James Bulger *@Evelefteden*.

How much does it cost to house Ian Brady?

And Shamima hasn't even killed anyone!

How do you know she hadn’t killed anyone?

Losing three babies.. ugh

@Evelefteden it's up to you to prove she has. That's how the law works. You can't just assume.

Whatever happens, it won’t end well.

Even if she's a danger, she's our danger to deal with

Exactly. Why should Britain get to offload her elsewhere?!?

I’m sure the posters wanting to wash their hands of her would be up in arms if other countries tried to palm off their undesirable citizens on the U.K.

So why should the U.K. get to do it?

[quote Cadent]@Evelefteden it's up to you to prove she has. That's how the law works. You can't just assume.[/quote]
I dont have to prove anything - it’s not me that keeping her out of the country.

And you can’t assume that she wasn’t a willing participant to unimaginable horrors.

You struggle to get therapy on the NHS for being a rape victim or child abuse victim.why should she be allowed it?

Why shouldn't she be allowed it? She was groomed and radicalised here, in the UK.

She was 15 when she set off with her friends. She was known to be at risk of radicalisation and both her school and SS were aware. She was was failed by those whose job it was to protect her. Which 15 year old sets off to a war zone unless they’ve been groomed and sold some glamourised version of what life will be like for them and what they are doing in the name of Allah. She has been through far too much and suffered enough and should be brought back home.

I dont have to prove anything - it’s not me that keeping her out of the country.

Then why ask me to prove she didn't kill someone @Evelefteden?

If there's any onus, it's on you not me.

Why shouldn't she be allowed it? She was groomed and radicalised here, in the UK. Explain to me exactly what happened and how it happened.

The problem isn't so much how and why she got to where she is. The real problem is how dangerous is she now to western society?

How and why she got to where she is is absolutely the real problem. How else are we to stand a chance of understanding this stuff with a view to handling and (hopefully) one day eradicating it?

I thought the thread was more about what should be done with Shamima Begum in the British judicial system when she returns. So I was speaking in the particular ie her. The reasons how and why she ended up in Syria do,of course, need analysing and I suspect that is already underway.

But her present predicament is a fact that can't be undone. She still has to be dealt with in a way that ensures that she isn't a danger, whether she was groomed or not.

Why is a 15yo groomed into terrorism/sex with terrorists 'calculated' when a 15yo groomed into sex isn't?

There's a huge difference between vulnerable people who are groomed to debase and destroy themselves and people who are 'groomed' to destroy other human beings. They learned about Isis, watched the disgusting videos of beheadings etc. and found that inspiring. That takes a special kind of fucked up individual.