Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

@painauchocolat84 many teenagers make mistakes you're right, but she didn't get a bit drunk in the part or have a fling with an older man. She has taken part in the brutal killing of many people. And given the chance she would probably do it here. She is a threat.

She is not a child now and has shown absolutely no remorse. Trying to manipulate people with allegedly fake babies and pleas for counselling whilst STILL showing support for ISIS ideology means that I feel not a shred of sympathy for her.

I think there are 2 issues here.

1. should she be considered as a groomed child or an adult responsible for her actions? personally I think a child, and that she should come home and face justice. I am also aware that she, at 19? has lost 3 children which is pretty horrific.

1. Should we as a country take back and take responsibility for people who left? If we don't then they stay in a huge refugee camp in Syria. Where is it Syria's job to do something with them? Why isn't it our job to take responsibility for someone who was redicalised in our country.

I personally think we need to suck it up, bring them back and punish them here. I am totally appalled by the idea that we revoke their nationality and suddenly announce they are the responsibility of bangladesh/wherever. Countries they have never lived in and where they have no passport.

As responsible members of the international community we have to play our part in sorting out the mess that is stateless people sitting in camps in middle east.

reminds me of my kids when I say whose empty crisp packet in this and they all claim to have no knowledge. As grown ups we need to deal with the messes that our people make, however much we dislike it.

She was a child when she left the uk! Only 15 years old! She was groomed! Now if that was a white girl she would be let back immediately, but because she is brown she wasn't groomed at all!

At 15 I was so immature and vulnerable

She's still so young!

She is not like the others who were let back. She is on a par with Jidhadi John! You must let figureheads for terror organisations face justice in the countries that suffered their atrocities.

On the whole I think she should be brought back to face justice here and her children should have some hope of normality.

Are you talking about Shamima Begum? Her children are all dead.

I have zero sympathy for her. And wont pretend I do. Yes she was a child but there is a slight difference between finding themselves in this world, making mistakes along the way to joining a bloody terrorist organisation. And actively promoting it to get others to join. At what point do we stop making excuses and realise some people want to do these things, and you will only hear of them when it all goes tits up for them. I can guarantee you if ISIS held on to power you would not even know her name.

My sympathies lie with the Yazidi people terrorised by ISIS. I'm sure there are many Yazidi women who would love to be reunited with their families and to go home. Not to mention all the men and boys murdered by ISIS. ISIS terrorised and still are terrorising thousands of Iraqis and Syrians. My sympathies lie firmly with them. Thousands of Yazidi women are still be held as sex slaves.

Also Shamima is clearly lying in this latest interview claiming she has had no contact at all with her family. She is manipulating the press

She was a child when she did whatever she did.

She is a UK citizen.

Whatever she has genuinely done, it needs to be dealt with by us, here, in HER country.

The idea of revoking someones citizenship being possible, acceptable to do to a person... let alone to someone who was a child at the time of their crimes.... is horrific.

I feel not a shred of sympathy for her.

neither do I.
But that isn't the point.
I feel not a shred of sympathy for Myra Hindley, but it was up to us as a country to send her to justice, try her, jail her and punish her.
It is NOT the responsibility of another country to do that

She is not like the others who were let back. She is on a par with Jidhadi John!

Don't talk shite.

I’ll support anything that keep terrorists and their families out. She’s not sorry about anything they did she’s sorry it’s over and is now stuck in a camp that’s all. Like a cheating husband is only sorry he got caught not for what he did. Like murders who cry in court. They ain’t sorry they killed someone they are sorry they are going to rot in jail.

@monkeysox

She still supports extremist ideology.
Would be dangerous.

She wants to move back to Britain to raise a family with her same extremist views.

She’s incredibly dangerous.

@Butchyrestingface - not according to Syrian witnesses. She was the figurehead of the women’s branch of ISIS.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/13/shamima-begum-cruel-enforcer-isils-morality-police-say-syrian/amp/

Other British girls who went to Syria also named her as their recruiter

Just a few months ago she was saying that she had no regrets. Now she's suddenly had a Damascene conversion? I doubt it somehow.

To those saying that she should be brought back, how do you propose that happens? The Foreign Office withdrew consular services from there years ago.

I note that many politicians who said that she was too young to know what she was doing are the same politicians who want sixteen year olds to get the vote.

@LolaSmiles she has no children

I really have no sympathy

We can't dismiss what she's done and what she's been a part of because she was groomed and easily influenced. She wasn't caught shoplifting, she joined ISIS for fucks sake. She was part of a group whose appetite for mass murder, torture and outright sadism had no upper limit. She still feels that acts of terrorism in Europe are justified and I have no doubt that she'd have no desire to return if ISIS still held the territory that it once did and still considered itself to be a functioning caliphate.

There can be no minimising here. No explaining it away or excusing it. It doesn't get any more grave or serious than this. We shouldn't prevent her from returning but if she does come back she needs to face justice immediately. Also, it should be on her to get herself to an embassy or somewhere that she can be safely repatriated from. If she can't do that, tough shit. She went to a war zone of her own accord as a gleeful member of a sickening cult, nobody should be expected to risk injury, capture or death to retrieve her.

She was groomed and a child at the time. She needs to face some kind of justice and deprogramming.

I've seen some utter bullshit on FB saying she's already back!

Yes I believe she was groomed and should be allowed back.

*PEkithelp

I think she should be brought home and psychologically cared for to become a productive member of British society.*

I agree with @PEkithelp. She was a daft 15-year-old who found a cause she felt passionately about. If she’s not allowed back, there’s a danger she becomes a martyr to the cause and radicalises other girls.

theretheirtheyrenotno
As I said, I'm reluctant to comment on her personally. I know she has no children.

My feelings about what to do with British/European ISIS brides and their children is they should be brought back to face justice in their countries and not left for another country to deal with.

Have the people saying she was a child, she was groomed, seen the video of her as an adult?
She doesn't have any regrets, she has said this and she is ok with what happens and what she's seen doesn't bother her.
She has no remorse and it's not about race I couldn't care if she was green and came from the moon.

It's not like she arrived at the airport and wants to be let in. The UK would need to pay and arrange for her return.

She's had time to repent, and there's very little (except recently) that suggests she did.