Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

Explain to me exactly what happened and how it happened.

There are loads of articles @derxa explaining it already. Don't you want to read from journalists?

It is unsavoury but she should be allowed back in. I personally dont want her, she doesnt seem remorseful or rejecting of IS ideology. But it is a slippery slope to take away citizenship from those we dont like. Nor is it fair to Bangladesh to have to deal with her.

She should be put on trial and sent to jail. However, I do worry about her attempting ti radicalise inmates or try to recruit to the cause. If course I dont know, but from what I have read and seen, which is is limited granted, she just doesnt seem sorry at all.

@derxa I've asked that a few times but no one has managed to give me an answer.

@GreytExpectations

You struggle to get therapy on the NHS for being a rape victim or child abuse victim.why should she be allowed it?

Why shouldn't she be allowed it? She was groomed and radicalised here, in the UK.

Because she forfeit that right when she ran off to join IS and support terrorists.

Regardless of age and motivation she severed her ties with the people she was trying to kill.

Considering it was actually nine girls from the same school that tried to get to Syria - but only four made it I don’t understand why there wasn’t a formal enquiry tbh.

Because she forfeit that right when she ran off to join IS and support terrorists.

Show me the legislation about forfeiting rights to the NHS when you commit crimes.

Because I’ve never seen that.

@Cadent

Explain to me exactly what happened and how it happened.

There are loads of articles @derxa explaining it already. Don't you want to read from journalists?

No one knows how it happened as there was no official enquiry about how nine girls from the same school in Bethnal Green were radicalised. The community has asked and it’s been raised in the House of Commons - but still no official enquiry.

If she was white and called 'Emily' there would be headlines about how an extremist paedophile groomed her, got her married and pregnant and how we should bring her back to keep her safe.

If she was white and called Emily, she would be ignored by the media, ignored by the police and politicians, smeared as a worthless, working class prostitute who was asking for it or accused of racism for being a victim of a grooming gang and of making it all up.

I think they think any country of brown Muslim people should take her.
^this is disgustingly racist. So because she's brown and a Muslim she's not British then?

It's one thing to say she should stay there for her crimes, as long as you'd say the same about a white person. It's a whole nother thing to say because she's brown and Muslim she's other brown Muslims problems and not British.

One thing I think should happen, I don't know if it has yet though, is we ask Syria if they want to deal with her. When someone commits a crime in Britain, even as a foreign national, we deal with it under British law. When people drug smuggle in Peru and get caught and get 15 years we might sentence them more lightly in Britain but they committed the crime in Peru so they get to deal with it under Peruvian law. There's a possibility Syria might want to try them under their own law considering the acts she actually personally committed were in their country, against their law and their people. Has this been thought about?

But I stand by we should not bring her back. She should be allowed to come back off her own back but not at the risk of any citizen to themselves.

@LaurieMarlow

Because she forfeit that right when she ran off to join IS and support terrorists.

Show me the legislation about forfeiting rights to the NHS when you commit crimes.

Because I’ve never seen that.

The home office disagree.

She was known to be at risk of radicalisation and both her school and SS were aware. She was was failed by those whose job it was to protect her

Is there any particular reason why you omitted her family from that catalogue of error, or does it all have to be - as so often - "someone else's fault"?

She was a groomed child. If this had been sexual grooming then she would be thought of differently, it is grooming all the same. She is a UK citizen and she should be treated as such.

we ask Syria if they want to deal with her

I strongly suspect Syria has enough on its plates without taking on Shamima. Do they even have a functioning legal system? And as a British citizen, she’s still Britain’s problem.

She shouldn’t have been abandoned in the first place. Not matter how awful she was at the time she is human, (was) a British citizen and had to watch her children die. Completely sexist double standards in play too. If she deserves to be punished she can come to the U.K. and be tried.

@Casschops

She was a groomed child. If this had been sexual grooming then she would be thought of differently, it is grooming all the same. She is a UK citizen and she should be treated as such.

Are you sure about that?

@ActuallyItsEugene I've asked that a few times but no one has managed to give me an answer.

@Evelefteden No one knows how it happened as there was no official enquiry about how nine girls from the same school in Bethnal Green were radicalised. The community has asked and it’s been raised in the House of Commons - but still no official enquiry.

There are articles saying they were groomed online by female propagandists (such as Sharmeena Begum).

Bear in minds these girls weren't allowed to date, and were looking forward to having husbands.

I think she was groomed. I’ve done a bit of work with Prevent and it is entirely possible.

It’s also possible for her to be a victim and still a danger. De-radicalisation is a long process that rarely works fully. In the absolute best case scenario she would remain a damaged and vulnerable individual.

Treason

Don't you want to read from journalists? No I want to hear from people on here. How do they think this happened?

She's not Syria's problem, she's ours. Why should they have to deal with her or whatever destruction she brings.

I strongly suspect Syria has enough on its plates without taking on Shamima. Do they even have a functioning legal system? And as a British citizen, she’s still Britain’s problem.

Like you said you 'suspect', maybe we should just consider it though. Yes she's a british problem on her terrorism charges but she committed actual crimes in Syria and thus they have a right to deal with those crimes under Syrian law if they so want to. I'm not saying we cast her off to them. But if someone from a country which is an enemy of Britain came to England (against the law of their own country) and raped me here, I'd damn well want them charged, prosecuted and punished under british law. Then they can go back and face the charges in their country after they've faced the charges here. Rather than being sent back and only prosecuted for terrorism and essentially 'got away with' the rape.

So because she's brown and a Muslim she's not British then?

That seems to be the subtext, @NotMyTimes

She is British and the responsibility of the British system. She was groomed and radicalised and that didn't happen in a vacuum. It happened right here, to a British schoolchild and instead of focusing on what a child did and calling for her head on a pike, we should be focusing on what went so badly wrong that this happened and how to try to stop it from happening in the future.

Also. If she was white this would have been a very different issue and I don't care how many pretend otherwise. And it's part of why this happens in the first place.

She is a very dangerous woman and she should not come back to the UK.
She’s shown absolutely no remorse - talked about beheadings without flinching. This is not a normal person and innocent people should be protected from her fanaticism.

@derxa see my post above