Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

I think she’s our problem & it’s pretty racist to expect Syria or Bangladesh to deal with her. Why?? Because she’s brown? THEY don’t want her either and she’s a UK passport holder.

For those saying ‘she was just a child’. Do you say the same about the killers of Jamie Bulger, who were only 10 at the time? I bet you don’t.

I’ll just clarify that I don’t like her or want her here but the right thing to do is put her on trial here not just remove citizenship & palm her off onto another country she has nothing to do with.

I don't understand people saying she should be brought back to face the courts here - surely if she committed war crimes in Syria she should be dealt with by their justice system?

For those saying ‘she was just a child’. Do you say the same about the killers of Jamie Bulger, who were only 10 at the time? I bet you don’t.

Can't speak for anyone else but I would absolutely say "they were children" regarding the Bulger killers in defence of any punishment being proportionate and age appropriate.

But she is a British citizen

She is no longer a British Citizen, that was taken from her.

I don't understand people saying she should be brought back to face the courts here - surely if she committed war crimes in Syria she should be dealt with by their justice system?

I’m not saying “bring her back”, the Government have removed her citizenship, that’s not the same as not bringing her back.

What are your thoughts OP?

For those saying ‘she was just a child’. Do you say the same about the killers of Jamie Bulger, who were only 10 at the time? I bet you don’t.

Honestly? Yes. Because they were children. And were dealt with by the law. As SB should be.

Real life is not as simple as good people and evil people.

According to the internet, she’s already back. Thanks Cherie Blair.

I would probably let her back in but jail her for the rest of her life, but that also means tax payers have to foot the bill. She is a British citizen though and I think she should remain in prison for the rest of her life.

She is no longer a British Citizen, that was taken from her

Yes very good. My whole post was about her citizenship shouldn’t have been revoked so unless you’re stupid you know what I meant.

She is a married woman she can forge her own path

FWIW I dont believe she regrets going if she did when she was pregnant she would have tried to come home she didn't she stayed she had more children after she lost the first two she clearly has no regrets no remorse she just thinks people should feel sorry for her

I have as much sympathy for her as she had for the many Yazidi women and children that were sold into sexual slavery. Don’t give her a media platform.

People who study the brain are all pretty clear that it only reaches full maturity at around 23 and this is used to explain a lot of things about youthful behaviour. It is why teenagers do risky things, they haven't got the capacity to fully understand it.

15 may be over the age of legal responsibility in the UK but in other countries (based on the brain thing) it is much older and I agree with that.

For everyone saying bring her back and put her on trial. What would she be charged with as we cannot safely say she will be found guilty, therefore she will be left to her own devices. What are everyone’s thoughts?

if we can't safely say she will be found guilty in a court of law why the heck are we ok with leaving her where she is? Happy to condemn her on the say so of a bunch of completely neutral other women who say she was an ISIS leader? If the failure to convict is based on human rights issues and that upsets people - i would say that we have a problem if many people think human rights should be cast aside to convict a young stupid woman.

I agree she should come back and face trial. I'm not so sure she wouldn't be found guilty, tbh. But i also think we have enough legislation in this country to arrest and confine her based on what the authorities think she may get up to, given her background.

And yes, the killers of James Bulger were children. And still they served long sentences, and one of them still is for subsequent actions.

she had more children after she lost the first two

You're 100% sure that she had easy access to contraception and/or was able to refuse her husband sex?

I wonder if anyone who is saying she should be allowed back would be happy to have her living next door to them. Saying hello to your children over the garden wall, having the next lot of children she is raising with the same beliefs as her, as your children's friends. Would your children be going on playdates?

I hate the comparison to 15year olds that are groomed by older men and raped....they dont hurt other people, they are victims.

With the grooming gangs didn't some of the girls help get other girls involved? Does that mean that they don't deserve help?

@Honeypickle has it ever occurred to you that that's a load of bollocks???

Who has reported that this is true?

@MsWazowski
I’m really on the fence. I think it’s more about the people around her now. I think she’s too much of a threat.

I also have zero confidence in our justice system, I think she will stand trial be found not guilty & blend into society. Therefore becoming a threat from inside the UK

She should be dealt with by their local judicial system. It was locals predominantly she was helping to kill. All these members of Daesh should be dealt with in a place where most atrocities took a place.

Can't imagine how distressing it must be for Daesh victims share a camp with members....

Its not because shes brown- its because she holds dual nationality- if we are able to strip citizenship- i.e. someone holds more than 1 passport, then we bloody well should.

Yes she should be put on trial there, but unfortunately whether she was trialled here or there (though why theres an argument she should be put on trial here i dont know, doesnt happen for any other crimes/ for anyone else) there will be no evidence against her due to the mess of Syria

Imagine if it was your child who was groomed and essentially spirited away. That's how I like to think about it. I wouldn't stop until she was safe in the UK

Imagine if it was your child living under ISIS control and facing their barbaric punishment, or getting killed on their way to a pop concert. I wouldn't stop until every single person associated with ISIS was kept as far away from innocent people as possible. That's how I like to think about it.

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It’s not horrific, my country sends residents back to their country of origin.

America does the same with those in gangs who commit violent crime. They are sent back to their country of origin.

The UK is her country of origin - she has no other citizenship. By your reasoning then she should be sent back to the UK, although I suspect that is not what you were trying to say.

Of course she should be dealt with here - whether that is prison or some kind of treatment. She was radicalised here.

Jack Letts - who has always had duel citizenship - has had his British citizenship revoked. Why did it take so long, when it was overnight and illegally for Begum? His Canadian father has been convicted of funding terrorism yet hasn't been deported - why exactly is that? I'm sure it's nothing to do with the colour of his skin.

Can't imagine how distressing it must be for Daesh victims share a camp with members....

I imagine they will maker her life very difficult, yes. Oh, well.