Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

I think she's a risk. And Greta is campaigning for good. It's very different.

I think she's a risk because she could try to radicalise others, her plan could be to get back to do that. But I also know if she was mine I'd want her back.

I think she should be left to rot in hell where ever she is now. She was only enough to run away, get married, have children and support the torture and murder of innocent people, she’s old enough to take the harshest punishment possible. She can’t sob ‘I was a child’. I have two teens, they know right from wrong, it’s not rocket science.

I don't think anybody should have their citizenship revoked. If she's so dangerous to the British people we put her in a prison in her home country where we can keep a close eye and control - by revoking her citizenship we've lost control of her. She's our problem

Is that the same for all crimes committed by UK citizens- bring back rapists from America, drug smugglers from Thailand. Do we trial them under our laws or the countries they committed them in.
Can we in return do that, Somalian shop lifters who steal from Tesco stand trial in Somalia?

No sympathy from me. Why can't other Islamic countries take these people in? Surely that would be best as they would have shared religious values... but wait, then they wouldn't get media access/benefits/free legal advice/healthcare/housing etc..... Anyone who did what she did does not deserve to come crawling back here.

Is that the same for all crimes committed by UK citizens

AFAIK just terrorism related crimes.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/shamima-begum-isis-syria-uk-british-suspects-europe-a8779856.html

That's a link to an article discussing this. I can't copy and paste because I won't turn off my adblock but there's a subheading Are Britons who joined ISIS liable for prosecution in the UK? That is an article from February though. Maybe more than the quickest google could find something more up-to-date.

I wouldn't mind her coming here...

Except there's no such thing as justice in the UK. I mean, just listen to some of you on this thread. I can't believe people have sympathy for her when she has no remorse and can't even pretend on camera.

If she does go to prison, she'll be out in 5 years with UC and accommodation. Hopefully she stays wherever she is and they actually deal with her.

Tildakauskumholm she’s acted as terrorist in other Islamic countries. Why would they want her?

No sympathy from me. Why can't other Islamic countries take these people in? Surely that would be best as they would have shared religious values.
Nice piece of islamophobia there

You do realise that Islamic country doesn't equal ISIS supporter, just like being a Muslim doesn't make someone a terrorist.

I can't work out if this comment is deliberately goady or a sign of immense stupidity.

I can't work out if this comment is deliberately goady or a sign of immense stupidity.

I can't see a reason why it can't be both.

I think she should be subjected to the same treatment as others in her position. So if she arrives at an embassy then she should be brought back, face the law and serve the time she gets, as well as getting any deradicalisation treatment that is available.

I don't think making her a martyr is remotely helpful.

I also don't think saying "she's not even remorseful" is helpful either, we have no idea if she's remorseful or not - she's not exactly in a place to start bitching about Daesh in the camps she's living in. That would likely be a death sentence.

I don't think groomed teenage girls should be a point maker. Not when hundreds of males who make the same decisions have been able to come back. We certainly shouldn't be able to take the citizenship of Brits who were born, brought up, groomed, and able to leave here away - they are our problem and we've no right to lump them on other countries.

Personally I agree she was a child and was groomed and that fact alone is sad. But, a lot of paedophiles were also once innocent children who were abused.

Evidence please? There is certainly a link between being abused and perpetrating abuse in the case of child-on-child abuse, and I hope people would have some sympathy for those cases. In the case of adults abusing children there is no evidence for this and the constant repetition of this claim is damaging to abuse survivors

She was a child who was groomed

Who was put in a position to feel somewhat powerful with no one around but her to guide her

And she has had three children all who have tragically died

Of course she should be coming back to her home country - not as a free woman as she will have to prove to authorities that she isn’t a threat and also to protect her from those who will want to use her and want to celebrate what she has done

I wonder if anyone who is saying she should be allowed back would be happy to have her living next door to them. Saying hello to your children over the garden wall, having the next lot of children she is raising with the same beliefs as her, as your children's friends. Would your children be going on playdates?

No I wouldn’t but neither do the fucking Bangladeshi women or Syrian woman she’d have to live next door to. It’s pure racism to just expect them to deal with her. Why should they? Because she’s brown???

@TildaKauskumholm What a terribly ignorant and nasty post! Most Islamic countries and their inhabitants do NOT share her ideology. And they are as much victims of ISIS as anybody else.

I have many Syrian friends. They are intelligent, open-minded, interesting, funny and kind people. Their views on the world are the antithesis of Scumbag Begum’s.

Inhave zero sympathy.
She is a lying, scheming, nasty terrorist with no remorse for what she has done, and only wants to come back because the dirty terrorist scumbags she associates with are locked up or dead. If you were watching her mates blowing up your children at concert for ‘a fair retaliation’ and laughing whilst watching your husband being beheaded I think you’d change your mind.
Let her rot.

Let her rot where she is.

In the case of adults abusing children there is no evidence for this and the constant repetition of this claim is damaging to abuse survivors

I have worked with people (men) who have groomed and sexually abused children all were abused when they were young none of them grew up on a loving caring protective environment and were exposed to horrific sexual abuse. Sadly what they learnt they have at times continued. That is a very different situation to someone being abused and care givers/parents are unaware at the time and turning a blind eye - so no of course not all will abuse some people are so damaged by their childhood, they haven’t had the love care and support and even with all the psychological treatments available they will still seek out the most vulnerable- why it’s not really understood

I wonder if anyone who is saying she should be allowed back would be happy to have her living next door to them.

Since, here at least, most people who are saying that she should come back want her to do a long time in prison that makes no sense.

@TildaKauskumholm seriously? They're Islamic so they can take her.... WOW

If she can get to somewhere w a British Embassy I think she should be repatriated and face the courts. After which (and whatever sentence may follow) she should be allowed to rebuild her life. I dont think "she was just a child" nor do I think she should be stripped of her citizenship and abandoned. Nor do I think any particular efforts/risk should be made to recover her.

No sympathy, no interest

She has shown no remorse. Had she done so, I might have viewed her differently

Her three children have died. Her baby son died after she asked to return to the UK.

What higher price can you pay?

I wonder if anyone who is saying she should be allowed back would be happy to have her living next door to them

She will have to prove that she isn’t a threat to society and will be carefully monitored. But that time we will have forgotten what she looks like and vaguely remember her story

Do any of is really know the backgrounds of those that live next door or in close proximity- no we don’t

I think the one thing that many Islamic countries do have in common though is that they all still use the death penalty. Now if ever there’s a good enough reason to ship these terrorists out to another country....

And the fact she claims to have had three children is purely speculation. No-one actually knows whether she had children. But it helps with the sympathy vote.

Wellhelloxx11xx: the women in Bangladesh wouldn't have her living next door to them. If she is left in Bangladesh she will be hanged.