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To keep on punishing my 5 year old for being silly at school

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Sunlight82 · 23/09/2019 21:18

I am an ex primary school teacher, now university in lecturer. I thought I would have this while parenting lark sewn up but I have come to the realisation that I don’t and am really floundering at the moment.

I have a 7 year old DD who is that perfect child at school - good at everything, never been in any trouble, chosen for everything, very mature etc. So I have never faced this situation before.

I also have a 5 year old DS. He is an absolutely lovely little boy in many ways. He is funny, has a great sense of humour, clever, thirsty for knowledge, kind and knows so much about the world. However, he is constantly getting into trouble at school for his silliness.

He lost so many sanctions in Reception for things like running down corridors, spinning in Hymn practice, gambolling in the middle of assembly, playing rough with the boys at playtime. Nothing malicious, all just over the top and silly.

At home he is loving, funny, gets in well with his sister. They never fight and he can play for hours with his lego without a murmur. He can sit down when I ask to practice handwriting etc. And does it beautifully.

We had big talks about it over the summer. Practiced keeping calm and not getting over excited and how he had to try really hard in Year 1.

Well things are exactly the same if not worse. We have now been summoned to see the class teacher tomorrow as he lost 10 sanctions last week. Some seem quite harsh (picking his nose) and others justified (accidentally kicking a girl up the bottom whilst pretending to be a bucking bronco).

We have been punishing him at home for losing sanction but at this point he has lost everything - no TV, no toys, dinner on his own each night, straight to bed at 6, no treats, nothing. He has nothing left to lose. We never shout and in desperation we shouted at him over the weekend. He cried himself to sleep curled up in a tiny ball. When he woke up he came into me and said ‘I’m so sorry mummy. I try to be good for you but my body just does things and I can’t stop.’

He went to school today trying so hard to be good and ended up losing another sanction. He was devastated when I picked him up and kept apologising. I really don’t know what to do. I feel so sad for him. He is not ready for the formality of school. He is still so lively and silly and immature in many ways. I have cried buckets for days as I feel like I am breaking his little spirit and I hate myself for it. But equally I don’t want him marked as the naughty boy at school who has a difficult life there and never gets chosen for anything.

In desperation I have considered home schooling him and asked him if he would prefer that tonight. But he said he loves school and would miss playing with his friends.

His dad and I have no idea what we should be doing in this situation. Please help.

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PEkithelp · 23/09/2019 21:23

Move him to a school with a better ethos, forest school or home school. Honestly, the school sounds awful if they make a (to my mind perfectly normal) little boy feel like that.
When you think about it school classrooms are entirely unnatural places for small children to be in. They need to run, jump, climb, cuddle.

justintimberlakesfishwife · 23/09/2019 21:23

Oh I feel so sad for you both! What is he like outside of school when he's in a busy environment, like a party, or softplay with lots of friends or other kids?

pinksquash13 · 23/09/2019 21:26

Ahh I so feel for you and my heart breaks for him too. I'd speak to school teacher and perhaps the KS1 lead if there is anyone else appropriate and explain exactly what you've said here. It seems from your post that he is a lovely boy who is just young. And frankly, we start formal schooling so young in the uk it is no surprise situations like this occur. I'd really recommend ignoring the bad and rewarding the good. Lots of communication with the teacher, perhaps every day to see what went well. Lots of praise and don't expect a miracle change over night. Try and get school on board with the positive reinforcement. Good luck!

Mistlewoeandwhine · 23/09/2019 21:27

I do think a lot of boys ( in particular) can’t cope with school as young as 5. Home Ed with forest school is a great idea. Give him a couple of years and then start him in a new school. I taught in an all boys’ school for years and have two boys of my own. One suited school a lot more than the other so we ended up home educating. The one who had problems is now at a lovely school and loving it.

toomuchfaster · 23/09/2019 21:27

DD had just started yr1 and I have never punished for bad behaviour at school. IMO, she gets punished at school for that and needs to decompress at home. I do punish for misbehaving at home.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 23/09/2019 21:28

And stop the sanctions. He will end up depressed.

PlaceYourItemInTheBaggingArea · 23/09/2019 21:28

Poor little lad, 5 is still so very young, and obviously he doesn't have control. What have school put on the table? How can school support him? I get schools are stretched to breaking point, but this should not be to the detriment of the children.

waterrat · 23/09/2019 21:28

Oh my goodness OP please stop punishing him

He is already being punished humiliated and his little personality crushed at school

Why on earth would you then add to that at home ???? Why do you punish him twice when school sounds painful enough for him already.

His school sound horrendous. Week two and they are doing so many punishments ????

Please just stop adding to his stress Op why do you think punishments will help??

Remember in most European countries a five yr old would be in kindergarten playing all day not at school

Thehop · 23/09/2019 21:29

You and your poor son.

School is a shit environment for these little bits who are just busy being little boys.

Is it worth looking at another school? Yours sounds very strict, and I thought ours was strict! We don’t have sanctions at all, and no playtime lost in younger years.

JumpyLiz · 23/09/2019 21:29

Reward him for the good days and let school sanction him for the 'bad'.

Honestly, he's still so little, you won't spoil him.

Windydaysuponus · 23/09/2019 21:29

Punishing dc at home for school issues is unfair imo. School have dealt with it. He won't feel anyone has his back if you support the teachers and not him.
Imo.
*have 6 dc post school age....
Clean slate and chance to make amends at home ime works better.

Mrsmadevans · 23/09/2019 21:30

I think you are being excessively hard on him and in some of his punishments downright cruel. Eating alone is just awful your poor son. He is only 5 .

Throckmorton · 23/09/2019 21:30

If he's being punished at school, why are you punishing him at home too? Dinner on his own sounds very counterproductive as well. How about easing off on the punishments and teaching him ways to manage his excess energy without being annoying at school. Running around lots at break time for example. Would school allow fidget gadgets?

Thehop · 23/09/2019 21:30

My experience professionally is only early years and I’d certainly echo the posters above and not punish at home.

Bucatini · 23/09/2019 21:30

Stop punishing him at home. Let the school deal with it. No 5yo needs a double punishment for behaviour that is silly and non malicious. Give him lots of hugs and tell him how much you live him. He'll outgrow this phase.

NewMe2019 · 23/09/2019 21:31

YABVU!!! He's 5 fgs. Lay off the punishments at home. He's clearly getting enough stick at school for fairly normal things by the sounds of it. What a life he's got at the moment.

waterrat · 23/09/2019 21:31

I just re.read your op and I cannot believe the punishment you are heaping on this child Op is this for real?? He struggles all day with the formality of school and then is met with multiple punishments at home ???

This kid is going to end up damaged. He needs reassurance at home that he is ok and loved after being constantly criticised at school.

Perunatop · 23/09/2019 21:31

I really don't think you should be punishing at home for misdemeanours at school that have already had the school punishment. Just keep giving positive reinforcement for the good school related things eg reading and handwriting. It is up to the teacher to manage his behaviour in the classroom and at school, and nothing you have reported sounds major enough to merit parental involvement. Double punishments are likely to be counterproductive in the long run.

2childrenandout · 23/09/2019 21:32

It will be good for you to meet the teacher and find out what has actually been happening. Surely they didn't tell him off just for picking his nose? You'll pick up a lot from that meeting...how prepared the school are to help him succeed, do they think there is more to this and he needs support/help from a learning mentor? Is he being influenced by others? Are their expectations unrealistic? My initial thoughts from some of his behaviours you've described are his impulsiveness. But you don't describe that at home. Good luck for the meeting.

Bucatini · 23/09/2019 21:32

Love not live

bert3400 · 23/09/2019 21:32

The punishment you handed out were too harsh, dinner in his own, ostracising him from the rest of the family - heartbreaking.

Have you looked into alternative schools , maybe private , that can nurture your beautiful boys enthusiasm for life . The school he's at sound awful and I would of removed my child in reception.

waterrat · 23/09/2019 21:33

And being made to eat alone after a long day at school ? That is just awful. I know you love your boy please think of how much he must be struggling to fit into this ridiculously strict environment at school.

jaseyraex · 23/09/2019 21:34

School sounds overly strict, I'd be changing in your shoes. Also your punishment at home sounds a bit severe. It's clearly not helping so I wouldn't continue with any of it. School punish for misbehaviour at school, he doesn't need to be punished at home too imo. He's still so little.

Cliffdonville · 23/09/2019 21:35

I wouldn't punish him for something he's already been punished for at school. If you continue to do that, he will have no safe happy place to just be himself.
School doesn't work for everyone, and he's still so little, if you are able to offer him a viable alternative then you should explore that. If you can't, then try and work with the school or find one that will suit him better.

Sunlight82 · 23/09/2019 21:37

Thank you. I needed to hear you all say that. I knew it all deep down hence why I am feeling so awful.

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