To think it is now inevitable that Scotland will become independent?

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With brexit and the increasing move to the right wing, I think it is now just a matter of time until Scotland becomes independent.

No, it is not inevitable. Like last time the silent majority will vote NO. Silent because of the hateful invective they had to endure. What IS inevitable is that the SNP will continue to foist the vote upon the population in the hope they get the answer they want.

Hopefully!
I was Yes the first time and that hasn’t changed, in fact all this nonsense has only strengthened my choice.
The amount of people I know that have swung to Yes is amazing.
Quicker the better.

No, things will settle down and be fine.

I am actually on the fence about whether independence is a good or bad thing. So I am not coming from a pro independent view. I just think all the changes with brexit are happening without any consideration for Scotland at all. And I think the views of our PM are becoming ever more detached from most Scottish people's views. If Scottish people feel less represented by the British parliament, then there is less reason to stay.

Scotland cant afford to be part of the EU alone and the EU would therefore not accept them.

Is it true that Scotland can not afford to be part of the EU? I would have thought the EU would like Scotland to join.

No, it is not inevitable. Like last time the silent majority will vote NO

A lot has changed since the last Scottish referendum. I think Scotland will leave.

Let them. They’ll go bankrupt in no time and I say that as a Scottish person. They won’t get in EU either

I was a no last time but if the second referendum happens, it’s a yes from me.

Nope. Quiet majority will speak again. This brexit shitshow is a great advert for not ripping up union's. Imagine brexit, only with a country you share a border and a culture with. No thanks.

And last time, unlike my pro independent relatives, I thought the vote would be to stay. There were no clear benefits last time to leaving and too many unknowns. Of course there are still unknowns, that is inevitable. But now I can see benefits to leaving. For example scotland needs immigration to economically grow. A points system to attract skilled migrants would really benefit Scotland.

I know many people who voted to remain and the 1 thing that decided it for them was boris f Johnson and his "a vote for the UK is a vote for the EU"
This was a lie and now he is dragging us out with no deal, this lie has been the last straw.
The so called silent majority are angry and a second referendum will result in an independent Scotland

It’s a strange definition of independence - leave the UK in order to subjugate yourself to the EU.

Morris, a genuine question, what negative impact would brexit have on an independent Scotland? Remember you have that situation with Ireland plus all the political sensitivities there, and the government don't seem to give a shit about that.

How could it though?

It's main source of revenue is oil/gas, both of which are in decline.

It doesnt generate enough revenue to support itself as a separate country. It has no army, no coastguard, no customs force, no navy.

It could theoretically become independent, but it would have to rely on outside help for protection.

In reality, it's just too small, too impoverished and lacking in infrastructure to remain independent.

It’s a strange definition of independence - leave the UK in order to subjugate yourself to the EU.

Indeed.

Imagine brexit, only with a country you share a border and a culture with. No thanks.

Assuming you mean the UK as a whole, we do share a border and (much of) a culture with another EU country. That's pretty much the no.1 reason why the Brexit referendum should never have happened. At the very least it should have required a majority in each of the four constituent countries.

I hope not. I voted YES the first time round.

I was a strong No last time but would likely be a Yes now. I think the Conservatives will win the next General Election and Scotland deserves better.

It’s a strange definition of independence- leave the EU in order to subjugate yourself to the US but we’re doing it.

Togetherindreams Yes scotland is too small to get involved in foreign wars, I agree. It would need to defend its waters from drugs trade, etc. This will already be happening. It will take time, but surely the new government would just employ exactly the same people who are doing the job now? I had thought that last time the Scottish government had said they would not have a customs union between Scotland and England and if England wanted one, they had to set it up. So no, there does not need to be a lot of new infrastructure.
I don't think like the pro independent lot that Scotland will be better off. But I think it is possible to run as an independent country.
Realistically no one is going to go to war against Scotland.

Yes we do have a full military force which would remain with us it would be much smaller and a defensive force rather than an offensive force but it is more inline with Scottish sentiment than all the wars Westminster has involved us in

I saw none of the 'hateful invective' @OhButMyDarling mentions in their post.
I live in Glasgow and voted yes and I saw no trouble, nothing. Friends voted no.
I think people who proclaim how terrible the independence referendum was are maybe the sort to get into arguments or trouble. I could discuss our differences with friends and work colleagues without any bother.

Don't believe all the talk of 'hateful invective', we Scots can have discussion and referendum in a decent and like minded manner. Of course there will be idiots who try to cause trouble, there always is. But they are in a tiny minority and the referendum was not the country splitting disaster its sometimes made out to be,especially on MN.

I also think that there is a high probability that Ireland will reunify. Ok...that’d take a lot of work, but Boris has wrecked Great Britain (not the United Kingdom because the Queen would still be our Queen).

Realistically all very small countries have a defensive force rather than an offensive one. And even then they could not stop a larger country invading them. Small countries exist because they are in a location where it is very unlikely anyone will invade them. So the defensive force is really about organised criminal gangs sailing in. And this will already be happening.