To think it is now inevitable that Scotland will become independent?

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With brexit and the increasing move to the right wing, I think it is now just a matter of time until Scotland becomes independent.

We would not have to join the Euro (and why would it be so terrible if we did?), we don't get extra money from rUK now, most of us actually pay less income tax, and the oil (and income) will be ours.

In practice, no, they wouldn't have to join the Euro, yes, it would be terrible if they did, and the oil & gas revenues are a pretty high-risk proposition but Scotland should certainly not let that stand in its way.

I love Scotland and would be sad to see it leave, but it's up to the Scottish people innit.

I don't think we can avoid a hard border with England, but it's much shorter and more easily policed than the NI/Ireland one, and doesn't have the terrible political ramifications.

If they joined the EU they would at some point have to adopt the euro. You don't join the euro!

And they would have to negotiate keeping sterling if they were to become independent.

Well that's that then. A hard border where once there was no border is an absolute deal breaker. Who pays to create and police this border by the way? Genuine question. Will we need passports to visit Newcastle?

We have revenues in addition to oil and gas.

Won't happen. Also Ireland will not unify. We'll also all be stuck with a Tory government forever.

WE DO NOT HAVE TO JOIN THE EURO.

To join the euro, we first have to put our own currency into ERM. We do not have our own currency as yet, and after we create one (and banking) we would be daft to give it up. We cannot be forced to put our currency in ERM. We have to say we'll do it. Plenty other EU countries do not use the euro.

Last time round WM said we couldn't keep the £. We could, of course, but that would be daft because it leaves us at the mercy of BoE. So we have to create our own currency. It's been done many, many times before.

@StoneofDestiny I’m glad it wasn’t that way for everyone. We’re in a very hard YES city with a lot of Bravehearts so I’m sure that didn’t help.

I’m not sure what the answer is but I know that after our previous personal experience and the fact that I now have a child and one on the way I don’t relish the thought of the whole thing being opened back up again.

My wages are paid into my Scottish bank account by my English employer in London. Would currency fluctuations affect my income?

The reason I think it is inevitable is -

• people often vote for the current situation and against major change because of their fears. Brexit means major change will happen anyway. When that becomes clear, there is less reason to vote no because of fear
• the Scottish people were lied to when they were told a major reason to vote no was to avoid not being in the EU. This means a campaign against leaving that involves English politicians, will have less impact
• Scotland voted against brexit and have not been involved in any of the discussions. This feeds the narrative that an "English" government does not care about or listen to Scotland

I think anyone who thinks brexit has no impact at all on the possibility of Scotland becoming independent does not understand Scotland.

Morris that would depend on your employer. Plenty of international employers set salaries based on local currency. So a thousand euros a month, if you working Germany but have a USA based employer.

Darling, I was on the fence and did not vote.

Scotland has MPs in Parliament the same as England. We've had as much say in the brexit debate as the people of Cornwall and Liverpool.

I hope not. The very last thing we need is more animosity and division.

Indyref was absolutely vile and if there's another I can see it being even worse.

I voted to stay in the UK, but I think the last 3 years have really highlighted that Scotland and England want very different things. It does feel as though we’re creeping towards an independent Scotland, and that a no-deal Brexit will accelerate us in that direction.

Wow, this thread is making me feel really nostalgic.

I'm dying to jump on, but I guess should conserve my energy for when the campaigning starts properly

I've worked in England and was insulted for being Scottish whilst working behind a bar.
But as a previous poster said, there are arseholes everywhere. We've all met them.

When I voted No in 2014 I knew there was to be a referendum in 2016 on leaving the EU. Some folk seem not to have known this and now claim they were lied to.

@JustMe81, your mum didn't speak to you for 3 years cos you voted to stay?!?! That's utterly ridiculous.

I was a strong No last time but would likely be a Yes now. I think the Conservatives will win the next General Election and Scotland deserves better

I'm in England, frankly we ALL deserve better

You are right needmorespace

I presume that if there is a second referendum then all Scots currently living in England will again not have a vote.

Will I have to apply to continue to live in England and what happens to DD who has one Scottish and one English parent?

We have seen the problems that have been caused for EU nationals living here by Brexit. Why Willl it be any different for Scots living in England after independence?

Sandinyourshoes because it was one of the reasons a politician gave for voting no to independence. I don't remember who. But it was all over the tabloids. I understand you may follow politics more closely, but a lot of people's knowledge are various sound bites. That politician did lie.
Votes are routinely decided on sound bites. Like the brexit bus and how much money was going to be saved for the nhs.

Feellikeanalien wasn't it said at the time that people would have a choice in cases like yours to apply for Scottish or English citizenship.

Well, if Scotland went Indie, I'd be a little sad but wish them well - from what I gather the Scot Indy vote was far more divisive within familiar communities than Brexit has been, so far.

It doesn't affect me personally, but with a Scottish DF (RIP) I'm sure I'm entitled to a Scottish Passport, so if Brexit is a 'shitshow' and Scotland goes EU, my hedges are bet.

So, carry on.....