To think that No Deal Brexit is the only option now

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I’m a staunch Remainer, I think Brexit is absolute madness but I can’t see any way out of this mess except No Deal now - the division is too great and views are too entrenched

Leavers insist it will all be fine so the
only option is to do it and see what happens

The way I see it, anything less will just lead to the uprise of the Brexit Party until we ‘leave properly’ anyway.

We might as well just jump of the cliff now. If it’s all rosey then great.

If it’s not at least we can start to repair the damage sooner rather than later

I think it’s a mad idea, but unfortunately it’s probably what’s going to happen.

I think it’s mad too but I just don’t see any other option.

It’s a very sorry am state of affairs. Sadly, I think you’re right.

The EU is beginning to shift their position - they (the EU), under no circumstances, want GB leaving with a "no deal". A deal will be rushed through imo.

How though lumpy?

With our red lines nothing else is possible?

The EU aren’t just being awkward, we would be a 3rd country, we can’t have preferential treatment

Well my medication has been changed, to a less efficient one, because of Brexit. We'll run out of Epi-pens by Christmas. Some peg feed formula ingredients are becoming scarse and around 20 people will definitely die, if we come out with a no deal. That's without the predicted (but by Specialist) effect on Cancer treatments.

It's a bit "I'm alright jack" for my liking.

That's beside the immigration, job losses, collapse of infrastructure of Northern Cities that the Torys hate.

We need to stop this madness.

It's a bit "I'm alright jack" for my liking

The problem is it’s the opposite in many cases - people have been told and told how much harm it will cause and they either don’t believe it or claim not to care

It will harm us all but, as I said above, I think it will happen at some point anyway because the Brexit Party / hard core Leavers will force it

I agree with lumpy.
I think the EU / Boris may cobble something together (not sure what exactly) and it will then go back to Parliament. It may pass if it can get past the ERG and the remainers. That's a big ask though!

But if it is no deal then all we can do is prepare as best we can - prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

No, we can't give up. I think the country is still very much split down the middle on this and therefore it shouldn't be assumed that the Brexit party would sweep to power.

Why assume that leavers would be so outraged if we didn't leave 'properly' but ignore how remainers and people who aren't that bothered are likely to react if there's fuel and food shortages, huge problems in the NHS and a massive house prices crash?

No deal would be far from the end.

No it’s totally irresponsible and I am enraged on behalf of my children and generations who cannot vote for this. They are ruining their future.

A deal will be agreed at the last minute.

Sadly you may be right though.
However given that Ireland is screwed economically if it happens, regardless of the border fiasco, I do think there is a chance of some kind of last minute deal.

If no deal happens it will be disastrous, and the tories will just blame the EU for not negotiating rather than themselves.

lumpy76
I'm feeling a sense of a shift in EU too.

I don’t disagree that it shouldn’t be happening and that Remsiners views should be heard, I’m just saying that we’ve been ignored for 3 years and support for leaving hasn’t really dropped so I don’t see any other way out

As much as I don’t want it to happen, I’m trying to be realistic about what else is possible in practice

I am just gobsmacked there is still support for leaving and the Tories. Also suspect a large percentage of the support come from the very people who will be totally screwed over by the Tories.

I'm feeling a sense of a shift in EU too.

Based on what?

2 deadlines have been and gone and they are not shifting on the WA - that’s not going to change

The only other option is BJ gets to call the backstop something else and gets the WA through

The backstop can’t go away

Obviously I don’t know any better than anyone else but I can’t see how the EU can make any special concessions without being the architect of its own demise.

I live on the Continent and the general attitude I’ve encountered (obviously we all live in our own bubbles) is a type of horrified concern at what the UK is doing to itself.

The EU is beginning to shift their position - they (the EU), under no circumstances, want GB leaving with a "no deal". A deal will be rushed through imo.

What the actual fuck are you talking about. The EU position is the same as it has always been. The EU does not want Britain to leave with no deal, that has always been clear. There is a deal on the table, it was agreed on by British negotiators. Britain then reneged on it and the EU said come back to us with a feasible alternative then. Britain didn't. The EU gave Britain more time. Britain voted on a deal that is utterly impossible due to the British border in Ireland. The EU said that's impossible as you well know, have more time to come up with something else. The British government went on extra holidays, then had a prolonged leadership selection process. Then came back to the EU wanting them to trick Ireland into a shit deal for Britain's benefit. The EU said no.

The whole entire process is based on the British government not actually understanding the EU at all. The EU will not fuck Ireland over because Britain is bigger. Ireland is the EU, if Britain is not, then Ireland is bigger because it's part of the EU. Shitty, aggressive bully boy tactics won't work. So either Johnson fucks over the DUP and gets the government to agree to allow special conditions for Northern Ireland which create a customs border in the sea (which the NI majority want) or it's no deal. Either could happen. The EU leaders would prefer the latter, significantly so, though at this point public opinion is that Britain should just fuck off either which way, people in the Netherlands are organising a massive fuckity bye party on Halloween. The people of the EU are just done with this whole thing. It's sad because the strong likelihood is that people will suffer and some will die due to medical shortages. But bad as it is, it has to end soon. Even in Ireland, where the worst impact outside the UK will be felt, the public just want it over and done with now.

I am just gobsmacked there is still support for leaving and the Tories

Me too but most Leavers I know haven’t budged an inch, if anything they are more determined to leave than before

And it’s all still Rile Britannia and we’ll be a great nation again

Absolutely none of the realities of the situation have got through

There's absolutely no shift in the EU's position, although I think they may have become more resigned to no deal.

Merkel and Macron made it clear it's up to us to come up with something and said they'll listen if we do. They don't want to seem intransigent (rightly so, why should they take the blame?) but they have batted the ball firmly back to our oh so talented leaders...

We will have a GE before a no deal. Not saying that we wont ultimately end up with a No deal.

I wish the UK would have left immediately with no deal once the vote was done. We would be already half way through the disaster that will happen. I'm a eu citizen so I hoped to remain. current non situation is causing me problems with finding work.

The people of the EU are just done with this whole thing.

Oh this x100

Again I’m talking about my bubble but while we have deep concern for the people of the UK (I mean, a friend has a child with type 1 diabetes FFS, she’s hardly slept this past year), our country has problems of its own. We’re worried about the impact Brexit is going to have on us too, whichever form it takes, and at a certain point you just want to get on with it and be done with the uncertainty.

I absolutely see with you but as I think No Deal is going to be very damaging for some people and we are reading leaked documents about potential disruption to insulin supplies then I am not going down without a fight until we actually crash out as I want to be able to look my Grandchildren in the eye.

Problem is it’s very hard to actually do anything but I am lobbying my MP, signing any relevant petitions and will go on any marches,

I found this tiny petition against No Deal the others day :
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/262986

Anyone lurking and feeling really disgusted and pissed off about current state of affairs might want to think about signing it and encouraging others you know feel the same about No Deal to do the same. The 6m People Vote one did seem to give some politicians a bit of encouragement at the time. We’re entering a critical stage and it would help if they could see something showing a lot of people are against No Deal.

If it goes to No Deal then we have to hope it’s been over hyped because hard times in a country in these circumstances could get very messy indeed.

I think a deal will be reached. I think the EU will alter the backstop in some small way and get put back to parliament where it will pass. The deal is not as dead just dormant.
The no-deal message is for parliament as well as the EU. With no feasible alternative that can work the remainers and soft brexiters will choose it over no deal. Boris will schmooze, charm and convince us all that this is a much improved WA.
This is what I'm hoping for anyway.