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Original poster

To think that No Deal Brexit is the only option now

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Bearbehind · 25/08/2019 09:21

I’m a staunch Remainer, I think Brexit is absolute madness but I can’t see any way out of this mess except No Deal now - the division is too great and views are too entrenched

Leavers insist it will all be fine so the
only option is to do it and see what happens

The way I see it, anything less will just lead to the uprise of the Brexit Party until we ‘leave properly’ anyway.

We might as well just jump of the cliff now. If it’s all rosey then great.

If it’s not at least we can start to repair the damage sooner rather than later

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NameChangeJustBecauseICan · 25/08/2019 10:52

"The EU is beginning to shift their position - they (the EU), under no circumstances, want GB leaving with a "no deal". A deal will be rushed through imo."

I agree. They'll remove the Irish backstop. If what today's papers are reporting is true, we are ready to sign up to a UK-US trade deal that will take 9-12 months and which will not include the NHS.

It is also reported that we are extending our trade relationship with Korea.

Combined with Boris Johnson's plans to tell EU that, in the event of a 'no deal', we will only be paying £9b of the £39b per our legal obligations, I do think the EU will finally do a deal with us.

Let's just get on with it, either way.

raskolnikova · 25/08/2019 10:54

I think Brexit is absolute madness but I can’t see any way out of this mess except No Deal now

But No Deal isn't the way out of any mess, it means we get well and truly stuck in the mess for years and years. It doesn't solve anything.

LemonGingerCakes · 25/08/2019 10:54

No, we need to revoke.

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Bearbehind · 25/08/2019 10:56

But No Deal isn't the way out of any mess, it means we get well and truly stuck in the mess for years and years. It doesn't solve anything.

I know it doesn’t solve the problem but J think it’s the only way to begin to repair the damage though

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Bearbehind · 25/08/2019 10:59

namechange where did you get that list of ideas from 🤔

The backstop cannot be removed without an alternative, working solution

There’s absolutely no hint that Trump will do a trade deal that doesn’t involve the NHS, quite the opposite

This is what I mean about Leavers still only seeing what they want to see despite all the actual facts

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Moonmelodies · 25/08/2019 11:00

The only way to silence the leavers is to leave. If it doesn't work out then have a referendum to rejoin.

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Bearbehind · 25/08/2019 11:01

No, we need to revoke.

The only way that could possibly happen would be as a result of a people’s vote and even then I’m not convinced it would be the result - too many people still think leaving is all roses

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Ballacre · 25/08/2019 11:01

Well, I am really surprised that there is not more outrage expressed in the UK. Boris Johnson was one of the trio who led and epitomised the 'Leave' Party. He (and the others) lied to the British people.

I have a friend who voted 'Leave' because her son was in hospital, she was working on a zero hours contract and the family was struggling. She voted for a party that offered investment in this country and its welfare services (or at least the NHS). When it became obvious that there would be no such investment and leaving would mean more suffering and shortages, she regretted her vote. It is vulnerable people like her who Boris Johnson and the others exploited.

The man is only PM because he was voted in by cronies in his party and he seems to be leading the country on to a path of self destruction to further his own career.

Some fallacy of a trade deal with the US is spouted, but such deals would be on US terms and would take years to put in place. No deal would be and is going to be a total disaster.

I am sickened by what is happening and I have never felt so convinced that we no longer live in a democracy.

I realise this is not a well written message, but I just had to vent my feelings.

raskolnikova · 25/08/2019 11:01

I know it doesn’t solve the problem but J think it’s the only way to begin to repair the damage though

But surely No Deal is what's going to cause a whole load of damage once it happens! We haven't made our own trade deals null and void yet, that happens immediately if we No Deal. We haven't ended FOM yet, they want that ASAP after No Deal. There's no hard border in Ireland yet, it looks like that happens with No Deal. Either revoke Article 50 or extend the deadline so things can actually be sorted out properly by people with more sense! I don't see how people can say, let's repair the damage by simultaneously causing it?

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Bearbehind · 25/08/2019 11:04

Either revoke Article 50 or extend the deadline so things can actually be sorted out properly by people with more sense! I don't see how people can say, let's repair the damage by simultaneously causing it?

We’ve had 3 years to do that and come up with nothing

The situation will never change until people are honest about the consequences of Brexit and, since Leavers don’t believe the predictions, that can only happen by making them a reality

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raskolnikova · 25/08/2019 11:05

Where's a good coup d'etat when you need one

chomalungma · 25/08/2019 11:06

If I go to the USA and buy something that is cheaper over there than in the UK and bring it back, I have to pay import tax.

If I go to Ireland and do the same, I don't. Because of the EU.
What will happen post Brexit? I go to Northern Ireland, pop over the border, buy cheap goods and bring them back. Where will I get charged for import tax?

Or am I missing something?

raskolnikova · 25/08/2019 11:10

*We’ve had 3 years to do that and come up with nothing

The situation will never change until people are honest about the consequences of Brexit and, since Leavers don’t believe the predictions, that can only happen by making them a reality*

So we all just suffer on principle then, even though we don't have to? As a person with a life split between the EU and UK, I can't get behind that. Why suffer when we don't have to?

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 25/08/2019 11:14

I’m intrigued to see who the Leavers will blame once we crash out with no deal and there is rationing and they lose their jobs.

Foreigners, remoaners, Corbyn, the judges, the civil service, snowflakes, the Guardian, cannabis, universities, muslims, London, the Irish, the gays, the BBC, millennials, the internet, foxes, cyclists and ramblers. Oh, and the EU.

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Bearbehind · 25/08/2019 11:14

Why suffer when we don't have to?

Because those who support it don’t believe that will be the case and, at the end of the day, they won the referendum so their views will be prioritised over ours

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Zackly · 25/08/2019 11:17

I agree. They'll remove the Irish backstop.

This is NOT going to happen. It’s just not. There is no way that the EU is going to break the GFA and throw the people of NI under the (Brexit) bus.

BarbariansMum · 25/08/2019 11:18

I dont see how crashing out w No Deal is going to help heal anything. I'm sure that Leavers will start with "well we're here now, need to put our differences behind us and all pull together" but they can fuck off, quite frankly.

scaryteacher · 25/08/2019 11:21

The Commission will throw anyone under the bus. Greece, Cyprus, Italy soon. There are changes coming to corporation tax soon...I bet they make RoI raise their rates.

Zackly · 25/08/2019 11:22

If what today's papers are reporting is true, we are ready to sign up to a UK-US trade deal that will take 9-12 months and which will not include the NHS.

Have you seen what Trump’s been up to just this past WEEK in terms of foreign affairs? Got in a huff with Denmark and now “forbids” US businesses from manufacturing in China? The man is enormously unstable and cannot be taken seriously.

PS he wants the NHS.

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Bearbehind · 25/08/2019 11:23

I don’t disagree with any of you saying we shouldn’t do it etc but I’m being pragmatic about what else is possible in practice and coming up with very little else

For those who still insist we shouldn’t no deal - what else do you seriously think is possible, given the facts of the current situation, not just what you’d like to happen?

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Zackly · 25/08/2019 11:24

@scaryteacher do you genuinely think that the EU will discard the backstop? Serious question.

I honestly don’t believe that they would throw away the current peace, but I’m prepared to consider views to the contrary.

BarbariansMum · 25/08/2019 11:25

I think some sort of Norway plus deal, or even TM's deal would be a fairer and better outcome, given that half the country wants remain and half wants to commit financial suicide No Deal.

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Bearbehind · 25/08/2019 11:25

The only other thing I can think of is BJ weasels out of no deal somehow (I do believe he is setting us up for that just now) but that will just lead to the rise of the Brexit party in the next GE - the problem don’t go away.

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Zackly · 25/08/2019 11:26

@Bearbehind I don’t remember all the details of it but I understand that the best bet at this stage is Parliament getting in the way of No Deal?

raskolnikova · 25/08/2019 11:27

Because those who support it don’t believe that will be the case and, at the end of the day, they won the referendum so their views will be prioritised over ours

Their views have been prioritised for the last three years and nothing good has come out of it, should they be prioritised over people who might not be able to get their medicines properly after No Deal, over people who live in Northern Ireland and are worried about a return of violence, over people who have UK/EU families and don't know how it will effect them? At the very least have a second referendum or GE and give people a say on whether they want a No Deal.