To think that No Deal Brexit is the only option now

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I’m a staunch Remainer, I think Brexit is absolute madness but I can’t see any way out of this mess except No Deal now - the division is too great and views are too entrenched

Leavers insist it will all be fine so the
only option is to do it and see what happens

The way I see it, anything less will just lead to the uprise of the Brexit Party until we ‘leave properly’ anyway.

We might as well just jump of the cliff now. If it’s all rosey then great.

If it’s not at least we can start to repair the damage sooner rather than later

The only alternative I can think of is a Peoples Vote but I can’t see how it would come about and I don’t think Remain would necessarily win that as too many people still don’t think leaving will be a problem. so we’re back where we are now.

A People's Vote can happen if politicians put country before party and support a vote of no confidence. If any remain supporting MP chooses not to do that, then you know that they don't really give a shit about the people.

(And yes, there's no guarantee a PV would go in remain's favour, but it would be based on an actual plan to leave, not just pie in the sky.)

A People's Vote can happen if politicians put country before party and support a vote of no confidence. If any remain supporting MP chooses not to do that, then you know that they don't really give a shit about the people.

But again that’s based on what you’d like to happen and not what is likely to happen

Where's a good coup d'etat when you need one

It's happening before our eyes. The observer has reported that Johnson has asked the attorney general whether he can suspend parliament until after the brexit date. There is only one reason why he would ask that.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/24/johnson-seeks-legal-advice-parliament-closure

Nobody sane is going to get rid of the backstop, Imagine having a return to violence in Northern Ireland, a direct unravelling of the GFA, that took so many so long to negotiate, so many lives, so much sadness. A no deal is also a fuck you to the GFA. The day will come either way when NI votes itself in or out of the UK, leave it at that. Who wants the legacy of a return to violence as their defining contribution to history.

Bloody David Cameron if he hadnt called a referendum we wouldn't be in this mess. Then he fucked off and left the country in a divided shambles.
I know many leavers and most of them were for it due to our immigration policies. If the Tories had educated people on what the EU does for this country and what they would do to allay peoples fears I believe we wouldn't be where we are today.
I voted remain by the way.

^If no deal is a success then Remainers will be the ones who were wrong

If it’s not, we can start to pick up the pieces^

I'd be happy if it was a success, absolutely overjoyed. Worst case scenario for my family is DH being dead if he can't get his medication.

Leaving on 31st October solves nothing. It is not the end of Brexit - it is hardly even the beginning of Brexit.

The UK still needs to trade with other countries and on the night of 31st October, all 750+ agreements that the UK has with the rest of the world go through the shredder. There are no longer any deals with anyone and insufficient infrastructure in place to deal with the customs issues. Operation Brown Trousers Yellowhammer predicts severe shortages of food, medicines, medical equipment, chemicals and more. Meanwhile Andrea Leadsom announces that businesses will soon receive instructions about how to prepare for Brexit - less than 10 weeks before it is due to happen (the previous instructions having proved to be largely worthless and unworkable).

I might reluctantly be persuaded to accept a well-planned, orderly Brexit, but what is currently happening is a total calamity which is being overseen by a group of utter incompetents.

They will not remove the Irish backstop.
The usual ignorant inward looking moronic opinion of ye olde england.

So what has the EU done for people on zero hours contracts or the millions of unemployed youth in the Southern Eurozone countries?

@MsSafina that’s a complete and utter derail

So what has the EU done for people on zero hours contracts or the millions of unemployed youth in the Southern Eurozone countries?

Nothing.

So what has the EU done for people on zero hours contracts or the millions of unemployed youth in the Southern Eurozone countries?

The right question here is what has the TORY government in power since 2010 done about austerity? Oh yes, they brought in zero hour contracts!
And brexit is what? A hard right TORY project.
That's your reason for voting leave? Then you're a sucker for punishment.

The EU isn't responsible for zero hour contracts etc and you must be utterly delusional if you think leaving, especially with no deal, will improve pay and conditions for ordinary people. Leavers talk about betrayal all the time but how betrayed will they feel that it is our own government and not the EU that has been screwing us over all these years.

And OP, I agree with the poster who said that Nigel Farage/ Brexit Party won't just disappear after a no deal. They may have to rebrand it but NF will be rubbing his hands thinking what he can get away with next to cash in. Tearing up any remaining regulations regarding workers' rights, cutting corporation taxes will all be on his agenda I should imagine, and he will be putting those ideas forward as a way of making a success out of the immense pile of shit we will be in after crashing out.

No deal Brexit is the best option. Leaving with a deal would be worse than remaining in my opinion

So what has the EU done for people on zero hours contracts or the millions of unemployed youth in the Southern Eurozone countries?

A ludicrous piece of whataboutery

This is rather like asking what the criminal justice system has done to stop the knife-crime epidemic, declaring that it's not enough, and concluding that we should disband the police force, the prisons and the courts.

Leaving with a deal would be worse than remaining in my opinion

Have you mistyped there?

It's a bloody mess ☹.

@icerebel no I haven't.

Appologies Kplpandd I don't think you've mistyped, but I do think my comprehension has melted in the sun.

The right question here is what has the TORY government in power since 2010 done about austerity? Oh yes, they brought in zero hour contracts!

No they didn't, and zero hour contracts makes up a very small percentage of the workforce.

As for Austerity all of EU countries are going through austerity and after 2008 the EU mandated that we reduce our defecit spend to 3% gdp, whoever won in 2010 would have had to implement austerity.

It helps the arguments if you actually have knowledge about what you speak

@icerebel sorry to hear that!

It's been the only option since Day 1, anything else required the UK to submit plans and the other 26(?) members to agree, or for Germany to agree and the rest to follow, and that was never going to happen, turkeys don't vote for Christmas, the hole in the EU coffers will need filling when the UK goes. Had this been Greece, Spain etc the door would have been held open for them.

The right question here is what has the TORY government in power since 2010 done about austerity? Oh yes, they brought in zero hour contracts!

Simplicity at its best! If you get your head out of the sand, or the Grauniad, you would have an inkling of the state of the world economy.

No Deal won't get rid of the Brexit party. It will embolden those on the far right. When things don't improve they won't give up, they will move on to the next target they see as hindering their vision returning to a (all white) colonial version of the UK. People won't blame them for everything going tits up. It will still be the fault of Europeans/liberals/insert target of choice.