To think that No Deal Brexit is the only option now

[Bearbehind]

I’m a staunch Remainer, I think Brexit is absolute madness but I can’t see any way out of this mess except No Deal now - the division is too great and views are too entrenched

Leavers insist it will all be fine so the
only option is to do it and see what happens

The way I see it, anything less will just lead to the uprise of the Brexit Party until we ‘leave properly’ anyway.

We might as well just jump of the cliff now. If it’s all rosey then great.

If it’s not at least we can start to repair the damage sooner rather than later

I am enraged on behalf of my children and generations who cannot vote for this. They are ruining their future.

I was sat behind some young lads on the bus the other day, must have been about 15 as they mentioned learning to drive and getting mopeds soon. They also mentioned Brexit.

It was quite interesting to listen to their frustration at the situation, as they hadn't been allowed a say in what was happening. I paraphrase their rather crude conversation. But one lad said, they keep talking shit about how things will be better, but it doesn't matter as they won't be here to see if it does or not.

Yes sadly I agree with you op. As much as I want to remain, I think failure to leave now will put the "Brexit party" in a very strong position and I find that a terrifying prospect. I despair over the whole situation because there really seems to be no good solution.

Wow @IceRebel, and those kids are spot on too!

I've signed it.

I just wish they'd never had the pissing referendum in the first place. But then you know what they say about if wishes were horses.

I don't see how No Deal is going to work with Northern Ireland.

I can see all the issues but no solutions.

The only reason people think there is a shift in the EU’s position must be because they are reading the Daily Mail, Express etc as that is what they report. It’s fake news.

@alittleprivacy 100% in agreement. All this bollox about the eu about to form a new deal is a rumour brought about by leavers, We in the EU are sick and tired of british government acting like toddlers. You were offered a deal, take it or deal with the consequences.

The only reason people think there is a shift in the EU’s position must be because they are reading the Daily Mail, Express etc as that is what they report. It’s fake news

It's fascinating looking at the headlines in these papers. Boris Johnson stretching his arms after a long journey was taken as a victory salute.

However given that Ireland is screwed economically if it happens, regardless of the border fiasco, I do think there is a chance of some kind of last minute deal.

Ireland is not economically screwed in the event of a No Deal Brexit. Not at all. Ireland will be initially hit very hard but Ireland will also be the only English speaking country in the EU. Ireland has a very real special relationship with the US because of the extremely influential Irish American lobby. And Ireland is an EU member and will be helped every step of the way by one of the world's wealthiest and most influential trading blocks, which will be keen to show just how valuable that membership is. Ireland's position is the very definition of cris-itunity. Short term pain with significant long term gains, including eventual all island unity as a potentially realistic future situation. (Which brings it's own significant problems but is still desirable to most of the public.)

And unlike the UK, Ireland has been in no deal Brexit preparedness mode for 4 years now. Ireland is a mass food exporter which can feed it's population 12 times over. Ireland has had realistic plans in place to bypass the British landbridge used for imports/exports for nearly 2 years now. Ireland has been absolutely clear on what it will and won't accept since the stupid, self-harming referendum was first mooted.

Faux concern for Ireland's precarious position is recognised for the bullying that it is and it won't be pandered to. Ireland doesn't want a no deal Brexit. Out of all the EU countries, Ireland is the one that has the most to lose but also the most connection to Britain. The most genuine concern for the people who will suffer in Britain. The most genuine concern for the devastating impact this could have in Northern Ireland. The most sympathy for the position of Scotland who voted against their own independence in large part due to not wanting to leave the EU and who stand to be fucked over the most after NI now.

But since the UK voted to leave, Ireland has become, albeit quite reluctantly, the more powerful country. And Ireland has planned to minimise the damage to itself. Ireland wont be pushed around and bullied under the guise of concern. Because Ireland isn't actually some lame duck, damsel in distress in need of Britain's white knighting.

@chomalungma I would be more inclined to use the word fascinating if I was reading the news from outside the Uk. From inside it makes me want to scream seeing the headlines in the right wing press. The Daily Mail has a history of not being of the right side of history🙄

It's fascinating looking at the headlines in these papers. Boris Johnson stretching his arms after a long journey was taken as a victory salute.

I saw that and rolled my eyes too!

That’s the problem though - whilst Leavers interpret everything in the way that suits them and not in the way that’s most likely in reality their views will never alter

Making the consequences a reality is the only option

And I know it will be the EUs fault for not giving us a deal but at least the Brexit party would be history and we could start to repair the damage

And Ireland is an EU member and will be helped every step of the way by one of the world's wealthiest and most influential trading blocks, which will be keen to show just how valuable that membership is

This...

And when it comes to the US and the EU doing a trade deal, we'll see that being part of a massive trading bloc really helps with negotiating with other large countries.

I agree with what Zackly and alittleprivacy have said. And we just want it done now. Gone by the first of November. The Republic of Ireland will cope. At this stage, if there's a hard border, there's a hard border. In terms of the North, it will definitely push them towards a United Ireland. I actually don't feel massively enthusiastic about taking the North on, but it's inevitable. Then maybe Ireland can start to heal after so many 100s of years of interference and colonialism.

Omg history really needs to be taught better in this country.

@IceRebel that's really sad.

I worry about my kids growing up amongst all this, but fortunate that at least for now they're too young to care.

Omg history really needs to be taught better in this country

So true. They are thinking of sending in police from England and Wales to Northern Ireland if there are issues after No Deal. Nothing has been learnt from history.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1169864/Brexit-news-latest-update-northern-ireland-border-backstop-british-police

Leavers insist it will all be fine

Not all leavers. I voted leave but I didn't vote for a no deal Brexit.

In what way are you a 'staunch remainer' Bearbehind ?

Not all leavers. I voted leave but I didn't vote for a no deal Brexit.

But, generally speaking Leavers voted for something that wasn’t possible in practice be that ending FOM but keeping all the good bits of membership or whatever

Saying you voted leave but didn’t vote for no deal is just saying you wanted to have your cake and to eat it IMO

Brexit could still be stopped. I don't expect it, but could happen. Tories have working majority of ONE, after all.

This rep EU has for 'last minute deals' : that's with MEMBERs, and involves following lots of due process.
For non-Members, EU move no mountains and can wait forever.

I suspect that RoI will be forced by GTA into having a porous border with Norn, and that will mean custom's checks on RoI: EU border. The EU will compensate RoI for this hassle for many yrs, before EU will otherwise soften the entire Single Market just for the 'We have no solutions except to have our cake and eat it too' UK.

I'm puzzled at Tories who think "Just getting Brexit done" will somehow calm everything down. Will BJ really get a decisive majority in autumn GE, have I under-estimated his hypno-magnetism? To me BJ is a right slimeball (= liar, womaniser, buffoon, ignoramous, manipulator, self-deluded, arrogant...)

Such a pillock.

Will BJ really get a decisive majority in autumn GE, have I under-estimated his hypno-magnetism

I think a lot of it depends on the Lib Dems and Labour vote - plus there's the issue of what happens in Scotland.

I wonder if the other parties stand on a policy of doing a deal with the EU afterwards - such as a Customs Union, how that would play out?

Leaving with No Deal doesn't mean that's it.

Anyone who isn't Irish but wants to claim to know about the Irish position on Brexit, both public and political, should have a read of this thread. (And it's 9 predecessors if they happen to have 6 months free of time.)

www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058007269

Or stick to parroting the attempts to bully, badly dressed up in concern, that has so often defined Britain's treatment of Ireland. But no-one outside your own ill educated bubble takes that seriously anymore. Or actually we do, just in the opposite way it's intended because it's seriously disgusting.

Me too but most Leavers I know haven’t budged an inch, if anything they are more determined to leave than before

Yep, one of my FB friends posted about how 'It's time for us to stand on our own two feet'. We haven't got feet, we have stumps that will be bought by foreign interests after this.

All these people who think the EU will capitulate to the UK and 'sense a shift' are hilarious. They remind me of people who go orienteering and argue that 'This way feels like south' when the compass is pointing in the other direction.

I mean, BoJo actually thinks RoI should 'rejoin' the UK (hint: they never joined in the first place, they were taken over).

I’m intrigued to see who the Leavers will blame once we crash out with no deal and there is rationing and they lose their jobs. But it’s okay because we got our country back and blue passports.