To ask if those who want to leave the EU are happy to be personally worse off in order to do so

[Bearbehind]

Following lots of discussion on the subject, it’s clear that leaving the EU is based on something other than financial impact, however, even the government’s impact assessments make it clear that there will be a negative impact.

Would you still chose to leave if you knew it would make you personally financially worse off?

Also I was talking about visas because we are leaving the EU

And you already found out whether and how will visa work. Congrats. Can you tell it to government?🙄

At the end of the day not everyone can go to uni and get a brilliant, high level job.
My electrician charges more than my solicitor😂
If I was young again I would qualify in trade...

Frequency Ds has no difficulty in the trade exams and tests.
Finished with an average score of 97.5%

He has no difficulties in the work it is just this dodging English exam.

Dp hasn’t got an English exam (took O level English then CSE English whilst going A levels) but took a law degree at night school whilst qualifying in an equally prestigious career. Then went into qualify for another career that is supposed to take 6 years to pass all the exams.

He passed everything in 1 year

Now he would be stuck because he doesn’t have an English GCSE.

So instead of being a director for a multi national company in the City he would be a Tesco delivery driver.

Can’t anyone see how screwed that sounds.

I am sorry, but if you pass law uni, you can pass GCSE English...

Firstly if all these people working here can speak English how come the plumber I was sent to fix my boiler couldn’t understand me

You have to be qualified to GasSafe standard to work on domestic gas appliances.
You should have chosen an Oftec reg engineer if you use oil.

To get either reading and writing in English in a necessity, there is safety and inspection paperwork to fill out on oil tanks and gas supply.

Unlikely someone who can read and write english cannot speak it at all.

I didn’t choose the plumber he was sent via my insurance company

Oliversmummy could you satisfy my curiosity please. What was the 'prestigious' career that usually takes 6 years to qualify in but he only took a year after completing a degree at night school?

You should change insurance companies, they should only be employing companies that meet the required standards.

Complain!

Either your plumber was not qualified or you are exaggerating his lack of English. As a pp has said, I can't believe someone could get a degree in law but not be able to do GCSE English to a passing grade.

In any case, not really sure what your point is if you don't like the British system what are you doing to change it?

I do have to admit that talking is SOOOOOO MUCH harder than writing and reading. I was amazing in spelling but gosh. Talking... You just suddenly lose all the self esteem and sound like you never heard English before😂 It took me a while to get over it tbh.

I think you've been misinformed, Olivers. You do not need english and maths GCSE. You need a minimum of English and Maths key skills level 3 to pass a level 3 course. These are different and easier than GCSEs. The exams are the same format as a trade exam so if your son can pass a trade exam he can pass key skills level 3.

Too outing as there are only a handful of people who have these qualifications

Olivers only a handful of people have these qualifications yet there's a career path that takes 6 years to qualify?

And not all law degrees are equal either.

Convenient answer Olivers lol :)

I too am struggling to believe that olivers DS can’t find some way round the GCSE English barrier you think he has.

But even if there really are no other options, I fail to see how Leaving the EU helps?

Is the English/Maths policy an EU policy? I always believed it was a UK policy. I know it was brought in because the UK was falling behind in terms of key skills and many UK students studying overseas were found to be behind their peers in core skills but I always assumed it was UK policy as it was a UK issue. Regardless, the UK will have had a veto so if it was EU policy and the UK didn't want it they could have vetoed it and didn't.

Also, do we really want to go back in regards to education policy? I don't think leaving the EU will mean the government reverse the policy nor should they.

It's not an EU policy!

@Frequency Olivers problem has NOTHING to do with EU tbh

It is incredibly unhelpful that people like olivers are so quick to blame Johnny Foreigner in instances like this.

It is clearly the type of thinking that has led to the overall perception of immigrants and in turn, the vote to leave.

My parents and older relatives for the most part voted to leave. I think they are mostly too stubborn to ever admit they were wrong, but certainly my Mum realised it has cost her thousands because the exchange rate with America became so bad and she bought a house in America shortly after Brexit for my family to live in here. The house cost sbout 12k more than it would have the week earlier. And since then she uas had to send money for repairs and it has all been at a far worse rate than before. Pound and dollar is almost the same right now whereas when we first moved here pound was double. It sucks. So she might change her vote, but the others wouldn't. It sucks how much it has caused division in our family.

Bearbehind

I was actually having a go out our own policies rather than EU ones.

The fact my friends Ds in an EU country having passed no tests or exams can qualify in a trade which my own Ds isn’t given the opportunity to do.

I was actually answering a pp upthread who was wondering why we don’t have the people power for jobs and have to import staff from overseas

Pound and dollar is almost the same right now whereas when we first moved here pound was double

It very rarely reaches $2 to the £, early 90s and around 2007 both times before there was a crash/recession type happening Usually it bubbles at $1.50 and now it is about $1.25 not 1 to 1

Fair enough olivers but how is the EU going to help when it’s going to cause massive upheaval and give the government less time and money to resolve such issue than if we’d remained?

Do the kids here do tests throughout the year at school? Like dictated test, essays, multiple choice and other kinds?

Oh and graded homeworks