To ask if those who want to leave the EU are happy to be personally worse off in order to do so

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Following lots of discussion on the subject, it’s clear that leaving the EU is based on something other than financial impact, however, even the government’s impact assessments make it clear that there will be a negative impact.

Would you still chose to leave if you knew it would make you personally financially worse off?

What’s is your AIBU? It’s not possible to vote as your question isn’t phrased in such a way to make it possible.

Ah bugger. I thought the vote was Yes /No!

OK -

AIBU to think people wouldn’t have voted Leave if they knew it would make them worse off

Yep. I believed in Brexit from the start and still do.

(I'm not going to answer any questions about why I voted leave etc as I know how these threads turn..)

Thanks Nessie - I’m not going to ask about why you chose to leave but I am interested in how much worse off people are happy to be

It certainly isn't clear the the UK will worse off. In fact, some studies say otherwise. www.economistsforfreetrade.com/Media/daily-express-youve-got-it-wrong-top-economists-say-britain-will-boom-after-brexit/

Difficult to answer as I come from an upper class family, and we have a lot of money. Not boasting, just facts. So fortunately/unfortunately Brexit won't affect us as much as it will others. We have the means to weather the initial storm (so to speak) and I believe after that, the UK will manage perfectly fine without the EU.

I must admit I do take a small malicious pleasure in pointing out to the fully paid up thick shits 'Are Tommeh' brigade, who are now scrabbling for work, that their vote has caused a down turn in the building trade and conrtacts are drying up.

I guess, like so many things, it’s easy to have principles over this if you are rich.

I realise no one can say for sure that people will be worse off but given

• the vast majority of assessments think we will

And

• we’ve twice failed to leave in the specified date

It’s probably safe to assume that, on the balance of evidence, it’s not looking good

IVFNewbie

Economists for Free Trade (formerly known as Economists for Brexit) have indeed produced a study which says Britain will be better off. They also have strong ties with Brexiteer MPs and the right-wing media in this country. What would be persuasive would be an independent study showing that Britain would be better off but they are surprisingly non-existent thin on the ground.

I will add, several people I know who aren't as well off, also voted leave and knew they may be a small period of economic impact.
But, like myself, many of us don't believe it will be as bad as people are making out.
The UK is a strong country, with good ties, and we can manage without the EU. I personally would like a Norway/Switzerland type relationship. But accept the EU is not the strong big market it was/makes out to be.

I suppose the question is like how long is a piece of string.
My worse of and your worse off are different things.
I see a lot of people who voted to leave seem to be a bit older and have money. For them to be a bit worse off is probably OK, probably manageable.
For someone else living arse to elbow being worse off will be unmanageable.
And from what I've seen, it's very much an I'm alright Jack mentality, so bugger you if you weren't as smart as me and didn't either inherit money or didn't get a gold plated pension when you were working.

^ And that's why we cant have a nice reasoned debate about Brexit

I’ve heard lots of people say that personal loss is a price worth paying if it solves issues such as immigration, loss of sovereignty, money for the NHS, etc. Of course those people are generally those who have the least to lose!

There is no such thing as an objective study.

@ssd But surely we can only make decisions on how something will impact us personally? Personally, I will be better leaving the EU, so should I vote stay, and be worse off? Any decision will have positive and negative impacts for different people.
If the decision was - Take £10 for yourself or give £10 to someone else, should you not take the money?

Loss of sovereignty always makes me laugh. As if the royals and the upper classes give a shit about how the oinks feel. It's an English thing, all the bowing and scraping to our betters, all the rule Brittania, the flag waving, all utter nonsense. You've been sold a lie and its the poorest who'll pay for it. And Boris, Rees mogg etc will get even richer... But hey, they've got a posh voice and floppy hair, so they must be right, eh?

There is no such thing as an objective study.

No, of course not @IVFNewbie. That's exactly what I just said. All research will have some degree of bias, although some will try to be as objective as possible.

The real question then, is why, given you understand that bias exists in any and every study, you thought it would be sensible or helpful to post a link about a study which is about as biased as it is possible to get?

Nesssie, it depends who needs the tenner the most. If it's to pay for my bottle of chardonnay or your hospital parking, you need it more. But the mentality of its my tenner I'm keeping it whatever has led us to brexit and Boris.

@MorningRichie I'm 28 so hopefully not going to die off too soon.

@ssd True, but if it was my tenner, then I shouldn't be forced to give it away. Same way I shouldn't be forced to stay in the EU.

Different circumstances lead to different opinions and therefore a different vote.

One of the inevitable consequences of leaving the EU is that our main trading partner will be the US. This is a country with low wages, very poor terms and conditions - typically 10 days holiday, no statutory sick pay etc... long working hours; largely because of a weak trade union movement that has not fought for workers rights. There is absolutely no way that British Industry will be able to compete in this market without some kind of parity in labour costs, which will mean an erosion of workers' rights and the move to US-style working conditions, rates of pay, etc. We will also see US health care markets and drug companies move in for the kill, resulting in the gradual destruction of the NHS. Food for thought?