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I can't do laundry when you're in your garden

618 replies

Fairylighting · 28/06/2019 13:38

Ok, so I really don't think IABU, but was chatting to a friend about this fiasco last night and thought it would be worth putting it to the MN jury! I'll try not to drip feed, but that means this might be rather long!

I live in the first floor flat of a Victorian terrace conversion in London. It's a share of freehold with the ground floor flat and we technically each own half of the garden; my the back half from my fire escape stairs to the back fence and them the front half, from their French doors to the bottom of my steps. The whole freehold and both properties were previously owned by the same person, who rented each flat out and the garden has never been physically split by a fence or hedge etc. When I moved in (at the about same time as my downstairs neighbours), we had a brief discussion whereby we decided to share the garden since it's very small and that seemed like the most sensible and beneficial way to enjoy it.

Since then, we've had a few (4x over 20 months) minor issues where one of them (let's call her Penelope) has sent a message to our shared WhatsApp group complaining about noise, most of which wasn't actually coming from my flat. For example, once when I was away for a weekend and another time when I was asleep in bed. Then, one morning after they had been disturbed by noise from my flat, after I'd had to make a phonecall late at night I got a WhatsApp message from Penelope requesting that I don't have the TV or radio on in my bedroom after 10.30pm Sunday-Thursday... in some ways that one was easy since I don't have a TV or radio in my bedroom.

After that, we arranged to meet up for a cuppa to discuss their issues and set a date to do so a couple of weeks later. A few days before that date I was in the garden with my mum, having a cup of tea, in the afternoon. Penelope came outside and explained that they were having guests over for lunch and felt exposed because we were in the garden, and requested that we went outside. I said that I didn't think that was a reasonable request and she went inside crying.

We then met for the planned chat and Penelope and her partner (he can be Samuel for the purposes of this thread) explained that the noise wasn't really an issue and that it hadn't happened very often, also that Penelope is a light sleeper and is probably more bothered about it because of that, so we dropped that issue. Penelope then started talking about the garden and how exposed they feel in their home, when I'm in the shared garden before Samuel suggested she might want to apologise for the events of the preceding weekend. She did so, and I explained how rude I had felt that was before she continued to explain how bothered they were by the whole issue. I expressed some sympathy but also said that I like using the garden and that it's one of the reasons I bought the flat. We agreed to share schedules so they and I could plan any events involving guests for times when the other party is away if possible. We did that over the course of the following week.

About a week later I got a message saying it was Penelope's birthday and asking whether I could therefore not use the garden, so they could relax in their home. The following day I got a message with some ideas for changing the garden in a way that would make it more open with fewer changes of level and planting. I replied to say that I was happy to chat it through but that it sounded like a lot of work and might also further reduce their privacy then the conversation went quiet.

Another week later I sent a message saying that I was considering buying some solar powered fairy lights for the garden and I got a really tetchy reply from Penelope, who was upset that they'd be shining light into their property all night long. I explained that we could just turn them on and off as we wanted to use them. This prompted another message asking me not to use the garden on the Saturday of that weekend, followed by a long message explaining how upset they are by my use of the garden and how it prevents them from doing laundry and cooking. Penelope said this has all triggered her depression and anxiety and that they're worried the lights will look tacky and encourage me to use the garden in the evenings.

I replied on WhatsApp saying I wanted to consider a proper response and drafted a long email over a few days, setting out the legal position and the fact that I want to use the garden (or at least my part of it) freely. I proposed a way forwards that included me and Samuel communicating until Penelope feels better, neither party making any changes to the garden in the short term, informing eachother of any abnormal use of the garden in advance, and that our default position would need to be a return to the legal split of the garden.

Anyway, that was two weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep since... What's happened?!

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BarbarAnna · 28/06/2019 13:42

Oh dear. You are most definitely not being unreasonable but it sounds very tricky. Could you erect a fence halfway down to preserve their privacy?

ferretface · 28/06/2019 13:44

YANBU. Neighbour is batshit Wink

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 28/06/2019 13:45

Put a fence up.

If they want a private garden then they should of bought a house with one.

And keep using your garden.

Stressedout10 · 28/06/2019 13:45

Penelope sounds crazy

NeverHadANickname · 28/06/2019 13:46

YANBU. I think I'd have to go down the route of putting a fence up. I know it'll mean a smaller feeling space for you but surely all of this isn't worth the hassle?

RhodaDendron · 28/06/2019 13:46

You need a fence!!! This is not worth the hassle. However small it makes your garden, I think it would be worth it.

Otherwise you will be trapped in an infinite spiral of minor, nonsensical escalations because Penelope is a bag of nerves!

Pollywollydolly · 28/06/2019 13:46

Oh wow! Penelope sounds completely batshit a bit stressy. I think in your situation I would fence of my half of the garden to stop me from burying her under the patio put an end to the problems.

Michaelbaubles · 28/06/2019 13:47

She’s nuts. You have a legal right to use it and clearly sharing the whole garden isn’t going to work. Put some trellis along the boundary line or something and ignore her.

Doobigetta · 28/06/2019 13:47

She sounds like a total pita. If I were you I’d say, sorry, it isn’t working for me to tiptoe around you in a shared garden, so we’ll have to revert to the previous position and each have exclusive use of our own bit of garden.

ClaudiaWankleman · 28/06/2019 13:47

Agree that you need to put a fence up.

Once the boundary is in place they won’t have a leg to stand on regarding your use of the garden.

TildaKauskumholm · 28/06/2019 13:47

Oh, what a pain. Looks like you will have to physically put up a dividing line (of planters etc) and both parties use their bit as they wish. She shouldn't have bought a property where someone else can use 'her' garden.

cardibach · 28/06/2019 13:47

Yes, as Barbar says I’d be erecting a fence however small the garden is.

nowifi · 28/06/2019 13:48

Yeah fence is the way to go!

Bananacloud · 28/06/2019 13:49

She sounds doolally tap!!

Bluntness100 · 28/06/2019 13:49

Ok, so am I right in saying if you're using eh garden you can see right into their house due to the French doors? And that's rhe privacy issue? She can see you and you can clearly see them?

I think the only way round it is to fence it. I know it won't be as nice, and look very small, but I don't think it's going to work otherwise.

MQv2 · 28/06/2019 13:50

You've been far too accommodating already

Perch · 28/06/2019 13:50

Fence! Use your garden. If she wants a private garden she should buy property with one.
The old adage ‘good fences make good neighbours’ springs to mind!

Michaelbaubles · 28/06/2019 13:50

Also, as a upstairs flat, I would assume that owning a share of the garden adds a fair bit of value to your property. She can’t reduce value from your flat just because she doesn’t want you to use it.

SolsticeBabyMaybe · 28/06/2019 13:50

Your neighbor is a weirdo. It's not their garden, it's shared. I think you need the fence.

ShatnersWig · 28/06/2019 13:50

If you can legally prove that X part of the garden belongs to your flat, then you can put a fence up. If there is no specific legal boundary, you may have more of an issue.

sneakypinky · 28/06/2019 13:51

She's bonkers. Can't you put a fence along half of the garden?

WTF can't she cook if you're out there?

LoafofSellotape · 28/06/2019 13:51

Use your garden however you wish in a considerate manner.

Stop entering into discussions with Penelope.

Pipandmum · 28/06/2019 13:52

This why I would never buy a shared garden! I think the only way forward is to erect a fence, even if that makes it quite small. She would have her privacy, and you wouldn’t have to faff about scheduling.
But really if she is that stressed about you using your garden (as you are legally entitled to) than they should have not bought a shared one. It seems you are the one doing all the compromising!

chemenger · 28/06/2019 13:52

Penelope needs net curtains or frosted glass. This is her problem, not yours.

Bluntness100 · 28/06/2019 13:53

I think the issue is this is a small garden and the op lives in the upstairs flat, the neighbours have the ground floor, with the garden directly outside their French doors and windows, as such, if rhe op is in the garden it feels intrusive to the neighbour. However it is what it is. Other than fencing it, I don't see how it can be resolved.