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AIBU?

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I can't do laundry when you're in your garden

618 replies

Fairylighting · 28/06/2019 13:38

Ok, so I really don't think IABU, but was chatting to a friend about this fiasco last night and thought it would be worth putting it to the MN jury! I'll try not to drip feed, but that means this might be rather long!

I live in the first floor flat of a Victorian terrace conversion in London. It's a share of freehold with the ground floor flat and we technically each own half of the garden; my the back half from my fire escape stairs to the back fence and them the front half, from their French doors to the bottom of my steps. The whole freehold and both properties were previously owned by the same person, who rented each flat out and the garden has never been physically split by a fence or hedge etc. When I moved in (at the about same time as my downstairs neighbours), we had a brief discussion whereby we decided to share the garden since it's very small and that seemed like the most sensible and beneficial way to enjoy it.

Since then, we've had a few (4x over 20 months) minor issues where one of them (let's call her Penelope) has sent a message to our shared WhatsApp group complaining about noise, most of which wasn't actually coming from my flat. For example, once when I was away for a weekend and another time when I was asleep in bed. Then, one morning after they had been disturbed by noise from my flat, after I'd had to make a phonecall late at night I got a WhatsApp message from Penelope requesting that I don't have the TV or radio on in my bedroom after 10.30pm Sunday-Thursday... in some ways that one was easy since I don't have a TV or radio in my bedroom.

After that, we arranged to meet up for a cuppa to discuss their issues and set a date to do so a couple of weeks later. A few days before that date I was in the garden with my mum, having a cup of tea, in the afternoon. Penelope came outside and explained that they were having guests over for lunch and felt exposed because we were in the garden, and requested that we went outside. I said that I didn't think that was a reasonable request and she went inside crying.

We then met for the planned chat and Penelope and her partner (he can be Samuel for the purposes of this thread) explained that the noise wasn't really an issue and that it hadn't happened very often, also that Penelope is a light sleeper and is probably more bothered about it because of that, so we dropped that issue. Penelope then started talking about the garden and how exposed they feel in their home, when I'm in the shared garden before Samuel suggested she might want to apologise for the events of the preceding weekend. She did so, and I explained how rude I had felt that was before she continued to explain how bothered they were by the whole issue. I expressed some sympathy but also said that I like using the garden and that it's one of the reasons I bought the flat. We agreed to share schedules so they and I could plan any events involving guests for times when the other party is away if possible. We did that over the course of the following week.

About a week later I got a message saying it was Penelope's birthday and asking whether I could therefore not use the garden, so they could relax in their home. The following day I got a message with some ideas for changing the garden in a way that would make it more open with fewer changes of level and planting. I replied to say that I was happy to chat it through but that it sounded like a lot of work and might also further reduce their privacy then the conversation went quiet.

Another week later I sent a message saying that I was considering buying some solar powered fairy lights for the garden and I got a really tetchy reply from Penelope, who was upset that they'd be shining light into their property all night long. I explained that we could just turn them on and off as we wanted to use them. This prompted another message asking me not to use the garden on the Saturday of that weekend, followed by a long message explaining how upset they are by my use of the garden and how it prevents them from doing laundry and cooking. Penelope said this has all triggered her depression and anxiety and that they're worried the lights will look tacky and encourage me to use the garden in the evenings.

I replied on WhatsApp saying I wanted to consider a proper response and drafted a long email over a few days, setting out the legal position and the fact that I want to use the garden (or at least my part of it) freely. I proposed a way forwards that included me and Samuel communicating until Penelope feels better, neither party making any changes to the garden in the short term, informing eachother of any abnormal use of the garden in advance, and that our default position would need to be a return to the legal split of the garden.

Anyway, that was two weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep since... What's happened?!

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Soconfusedandlost · 06/07/2019 21:35

@SagAloojah my glowing butted friends are en route to me as we speak and frankly I've not been this excited since I bought a Dulux Paint Pod (FYI don't bother, they're shite). As a single mum of 2, the only way my day gets better is to hear Peppa Pig got caught with a gram of coke and all previous and upcoming episodes have been pulled with immediate effect

Apricotjamsndwich · 06/07/2019 22:35

Hedge

SchadenfreudePersonified · 08/07/2019 20:15

the only way my day gets better is to hear Peppa Pig got caught with a gram of coke

I wish I'd thought of lanting some on her.

She used to be known as "That bloody pig" by the adults in this house.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 08/07/2019 20:16

Planting, not lanting.

You really don't know what lanting is.

Soconfusedandlost · 08/07/2019 21:00

@SchadenfreudePersonified all of those children are obnoxious. Peppa and the little snotty elephant shit are the worst. When elephant boy uses the Latin names for animals, I hope Pedro Pony trips that shit in the playground

When Peppa scandal hits, there'll be a lot of happy grown ups in pubs

ImpossibleGirl · 09/07/2019 00:42

@SchadenfreudePersonified ... especially for you...

I can't do laundry when you're in your garden
Nanny0gg · 09/07/2019 07:57

@Fairylighting

Any developments?

CookPassBabtridge · 09/07/2019 10:53

All my threads on 'Watching' haven't been updated in ages, arghhhh! Grin

SchadenfreudePersonified · 09/07/2019 14:19

Impossible

Brilliant! Thank you so much - this has made my day! Grin Grin Grin

MyToothPain · 19/07/2019 23:15

I suspect a lot of us are going to land here having followed a link from a car parking thread. This one, in case anyone wants some more neighbour relations chat: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3642457-To-stop-pandering-to-neighbours-parking-requests?pg=6&order=

Anyone be kind enough to round up 25 pages?

Solar butt checks are noted.

Flyingquestion · 20/07/2019 06:06

Definitely fence.

PerkyPomPoms · 20/07/2019 06:57

A planter or three to form a fence would work really well. Pop some scented climbers in and voila!

Trudij123 · 20/07/2019 18:32

Catsinthecupboard - for some reason my notifications aren’t working, but Thankyou for the praise ;)

FixItUpChappie · 20/07/2019 18:55

I agree with the poster below to just double check right of access issue if you put a permanent fence in. Maybe a removable trellis/screen. it not on them making you feel uncomfortable and unwelcome in your own yard.

TitianaTitsling · 21/07/2019 07:41

What was the outcome of Penelopefencegate?!

FeegleFion · 22/07/2019 23:55

Penelope needs to invest in some blinds. YANBU in using your half of the garden.

Grambler · 08/09/2019 21:07

How is Penelope, @Fairylighting?

gingerbiscuits · 08/09/2019 21:41

Penelope is batshit!! Take legal advice to be on the safe side & then put up a fence up! Then do what you like, when you like, with whomever you like, in your own garden & tell Penelioe to eff off!! Get those fairy lights up & enjoy!!

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