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I can't do laundry when you're in your garden

618 replies

Fairylighting · 28/06/2019 13:38

Ok, so I really don't think IABU, but was chatting to a friend about this fiasco last night and thought it would be worth putting it to the MN jury! I'll try not to drip feed, but that means this might be rather long!

I live in the first floor flat of a Victorian terrace conversion in London. It's a share of freehold with the ground floor flat and we technically each own half of the garden; my the back half from my fire escape stairs to the back fence and them the front half, from their French doors to the bottom of my steps. The whole freehold and both properties were previously owned by the same person, who rented each flat out and the garden has never been physically split by a fence or hedge etc. When I moved in (at the about same time as my downstairs neighbours), we had a brief discussion whereby we decided to share the garden since it's very small and that seemed like the most sensible and beneficial way to enjoy it.

Since then, we've had a few (4x over 20 months) minor issues where one of them (let's call her Penelope) has sent a message to our shared WhatsApp group complaining about noise, most of which wasn't actually coming from my flat. For example, once when I was away for a weekend and another time when I was asleep in bed. Then, one morning after they had been disturbed by noise from my flat, after I'd had to make a phonecall late at night I got a WhatsApp message from Penelope requesting that I don't have the TV or radio on in my bedroom after 10.30pm Sunday-Thursday... in some ways that one was easy since I don't have a TV or radio in my bedroom.

After that, we arranged to meet up for a cuppa to discuss their issues and set a date to do so a couple of weeks later. A few days before that date I was in the garden with my mum, having a cup of tea, in the afternoon. Penelope came outside and explained that they were having guests over for lunch and felt exposed because we were in the garden, and requested that we went outside. I said that I didn't think that was a reasonable request and she went inside crying.

We then met for the planned chat and Penelope and her partner (he can be Samuel for the purposes of this thread) explained that the noise wasn't really an issue and that it hadn't happened very often, also that Penelope is a light sleeper and is probably more bothered about it because of that, so we dropped that issue. Penelope then started talking about the garden and how exposed they feel in their home, when I'm in the shared garden before Samuel suggested she might want to apologise for the events of the preceding weekend. She did so, and I explained how rude I had felt that was before she continued to explain how bothered they were by the whole issue. I expressed some sympathy but also said that I like using the garden and that it's one of the reasons I bought the flat. We agreed to share schedules so they and I could plan any events involving guests for times when the other party is away if possible. We did that over the course of the following week.

About a week later I got a message saying it was Penelope's birthday and asking whether I could therefore not use the garden, so they could relax in their home. The following day I got a message with some ideas for changing the garden in a way that would make it more open with fewer changes of level and planting. I replied to say that I was happy to chat it through but that it sounded like a lot of work and might also further reduce their privacy then the conversation went quiet.

Another week later I sent a message saying that I was considering buying some solar powered fairy lights for the garden and I got a really tetchy reply from Penelope, who was upset that they'd be shining light into their property all night long. I explained that we could just turn them on and off as we wanted to use them. This prompted another message asking me not to use the garden on the Saturday of that weekend, followed by a long message explaining how upset they are by my use of the garden and how it prevents them from doing laundry and cooking. Penelope said this has all triggered her depression and anxiety and that they're worried the lights will look tacky and encourage me to use the garden in the evenings.

I replied on WhatsApp saying I wanted to consider a proper response and drafted a long email over a few days, setting out the legal position and the fact that I want to use the garden (or at least my part of it) freely. I proposed a way forwards that included me and Samuel communicating until Penelope feels better, neither party making any changes to the garden in the short term, informing eachother of any abnormal use of the garden in advance, and that our default position would need to be a return to the legal split of the garden.

Anyway, that was two weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep since... What's happened?!

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Capri0 · 01/07/2019 17:35

The best and longterm solution is to put a fence OP. I had a similar problem with my upstairs neighbors (they wanted to have a shared garden, I refused). It is true that you might have a slightly smaller space but the feeling of going in your garden on a warm day/ evening tops it up. Put the fence up and that way you can also do whatever you want with your part of the garden as it is legally yours and they will have no say! Plus, no need to have their ''permission'' to use the garden

Proseccoinamug · 01/07/2019 18:52

May I be the first to say, you need to put up a fence.

HeronLanyon · 01/07/2019 18:56

proseccoinamug there’s always one, who derails with a left-field idea completely missing the point and which would never work. Do you honestly think on page 24 if a fence had even been possibly a slightly good idea that someone wouldn’t have suggested it ! Grin

MsMaisel · 01/07/2019 18:58

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Proseccoinamug · 01/07/2019 19:25

Sorry Heron, I can see now that it was a silly idea! Just trying to think outside the box. You’re right though, it was a bit too far out there.

Juells · 01/07/2019 19:29

Proseccoinamug
Sorry Heron, I can see now that it was a silly idea! Just trying to think outside the box. You’re right though, it was a bit too far out there.

I was just going to suggest the same thing, now I feel silly. Grin

ChaChaDeGregorio · 01/07/2019 21:04

Fence, fence, fence

MRex · 01/07/2019 21:10

I really hoped my row of gnomes plan would have taken more votes from the fence brigade by now. Sigh.

Gnomes, gnomes, gnomes.

Ayemama · 01/07/2019 21:47

Perhaps a fence with gnomes on each post would be a fitting compromise?

SagAloojah · 01/07/2019 21:54

How about a solar mooner?

MRex · 01/07/2019 21:58

@SagAloojah has officially won the thread. I'm passing my vote directly onto those brightly lit butt-cheeks. On posts.

HeronLanyon · 01/07/2019 22:28

prosecco and juells - no it’s good to think outside the box - was just worried poor op might take the fence seriously. But it’s ok thread is now suggesting solar miners so she should at least have a good solid sensible way forward. Grin

HeronLanyon · 01/07/2019 22:29

Mooners. Good grief

Soconfusedandlost · 01/07/2019 22:29

@SagAloojah

Is solar mooner a thing? Where? How much? Take my money!!!

Hold me back Santa, I know what I'm asking for now! If some people think fairy lights are tacky then they will not be able to even look at my stealth solar mooners

Malvinaa81 · 01/07/2019 22:54

Fence is the answer.

As far as a person's home is concerned your story is a perfect illustration of why a homeowner should never, never get involved with anything shared- shared garden, shared driveway, any kind of shared access, shard path, shared gate: never.

And Penelope sounds like an incipient murderess, or at the very least a dangerous lunatic.

annikin · 01/07/2019 22:58

Yeah, you need to revert back to the original contract of half and half. I don't believe it's going to be possible to co-operate the way you planned. Better to be able to use your half whenever you want.

Whoops75 · 01/07/2019 23:24

I think something like this on the blue line would work.
Enough privacy for you without boxing them in.

I can't do laundry when you're in your garden
I can't do laundry when you're in your garden
SagAloojah · 02/07/2019 09:40

@Soconfusedandlost

They're half price at a fiver each - bargain Grin

@MRex 'brightly lit butt cheeks' Grin

Sedona123 · 02/07/2019 14:07

I wouldn't worry about upsetting them after the "long message explaining how upset they are by my use of the garden and how it prevents them from doing laundry and cooking" WTF!! They make it sound like you're trespassing in their garden, not sitting in your own garden. If I had received a message like that a few days ago, then a fence would be up already.

helpIhateclothesshopping · 02/07/2019 20:00

Either put a hedge or fence back up or maybe a portable screen that they could put outside their window when it bothers them to see into the garden. They sound like neighbours we had in a split house conversion as we also got the blame for noise we made when we were out of the country for a fortnight. I was glad they moved out not long after and we had much nicer neighbours after that.

Proseccoinamug · 02/07/2019 23:19

#teamfence

ScaryBunnyPainting · 02/07/2019 23:59

You

FENCEFENCEFENCEFENCEFENCEFENCE

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pebbleo · 06/07/2019 09:22

Any update? @Fairylighting ?

notapizzaeater · 06/07/2019 09:47

Why would they think they can control when you use the garden. Tbh I'd be ousted if if in say Tuesday (my day) it rained but Wednesday (their day) was sunny. You need a fence and Sod them. Her issues are not your problem

FatherDickByrne · 06/07/2019 10:08

Sorry I haven’t RTFT but life’s too short for 24 pages of Get A Fence!

Here’s my two penn’orth. I have this exact same set-up in my flat. Dilapidated, partly missing 3ft-high fence between the two gardens when I moved in. Replaced it with a 6ft fence with trellis on top - job done. We paid for the fence jointly.

Occasionally, I feel a bit discombobulated when my downstairs neighbours are playing music in their garden (I like peace & quiet outside so I can hear the birdies singing) but I give myself a wee talking-to and all’s well. I did ask my neighbour once when the music might be stopping but that was when it kicked off at 6pm and was still going at 11. I know that’s not late in the world of Mumsnet but for me, 5 hours of thumping house is enough for one evening. Luckily, my neighbours are reasonable and they have been understanding about noise issues (a whole other story) between the two flats.

Anyway, I think living in Victorian conversions can be tricky so clear boundaries and good communication are the way forward. Your neighbour is unreasonable but the answer is clear - Get A Fence!