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AIBU?

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I can't do laundry when you're in your garden

618 replies

Fairylighting · 28/06/2019 13:38

Ok, so I really don't think IABU, but was chatting to a friend about this fiasco last night and thought it would be worth putting it to the MN jury! I'll try not to drip feed, but that means this might be rather long!

I live in the first floor flat of a Victorian terrace conversion in London. It's a share of freehold with the ground floor flat and we technically each own half of the garden; my the back half from my fire escape stairs to the back fence and them the front half, from their French doors to the bottom of my steps. The whole freehold and both properties were previously owned by the same person, who rented each flat out and the garden has never been physically split by a fence or hedge etc. When I moved in (at the about same time as my downstairs neighbours), we had a brief discussion whereby we decided to share the garden since it's very small and that seemed like the most sensible and beneficial way to enjoy it.

Since then, we've had a few (4x over 20 months) minor issues where one of them (let's call her Penelope) has sent a message to our shared WhatsApp group complaining about noise, most of which wasn't actually coming from my flat. For example, once when I was away for a weekend and another time when I was asleep in bed. Then, one morning after they had been disturbed by noise from my flat, after I'd had to make a phonecall late at night I got a WhatsApp message from Penelope requesting that I don't have the TV or radio on in my bedroom after 10.30pm Sunday-Thursday... in some ways that one was easy since I don't have a TV or radio in my bedroom.

After that, we arranged to meet up for a cuppa to discuss their issues and set a date to do so a couple of weeks later. A few days before that date I was in the garden with my mum, having a cup of tea, in the afternoon. Penelope came outside and explained that they were having guests over for lunch and felt exposed because we were in the garden, and requested that we went outside. I said that I didn't think that was a reasonable request and she went inside crying.

We then met for the planned chat and Penelope and her partner (he can be Samuel for the purposes of this thread) explained that the noise wasn't really an issue and that it hadn't happened very often, also that Penelope is a light sleeper and is probably more bothered about it because of that, so we dropped that issue. Penelope then started talking about the garden and how exposed they feel in their home, when I'm in the shared garden before Samuel suggested she might want to apologise for the events of the preceding weekend. She did so, and I explained how rude I had felt that was before she continued to explain how bothered they were by the whole issue. I expressed some sympathy but also said that I like using the garden and that it's one of the reasons I bought the flat. We agreed to share schedules so they and I could plan any events involving guests for times when the other party is away if possible. We did that over the course of the following week.

About a week later I got a message saying it was Penelope's birthday and asking whether I could therefore not use the garden, so they could relax in their home. The following day I got a message with some ideas for changing the garden in a way that would make it more open with fewer changes of level and planting. I replied to say that I was happy to chat it through but that it sounded like a lot of work and might also further reduce their privacy then the conversation went quiet.

Another week later I sent a message saying that I was considering buying some solar powered fairy lights for the garden and I got a really tetchy reply from Penelope, who was upset that they'd be shining light into their property all night long. I explained that we could just turn them on and off as we wanted to use them. This prompted another message asking me not to use the garden on the Saturday of that weekend, followed by a long message explaining how upset they are by my use of the garden and how it prevents them from doing laundry and cooking. Penelope said this has all triggered her depression and anxiety and that they're worried the lights will look tacky and encourage me to use the garden in the evenings.

I replied on WhatsApp saying I wanted to consider a proper response and drafted a long email over a few days, setting out the legal position and the fact that I want to use the garden (or at least my part of it) freely. I proposed a way forwards that included me and Samuel communicating until Penelope feels better, neither party making any changes to the garden in the short term, informing eachother of any abnormal use of the garden in advance, and that our default position would need to be a return to the legal split of the garden.

Anyway, that was two weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep since... What's happened?!

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Tallgreenbottle · 28/06/2019 14:05

Penelope is a few pence short of a pound. Stop engaging and use your garden as you see fit.

growlingbear · 28/06/2019 14:05

Put a fence or trellis up across the boundary and have a tiny outdoor space her lunacy can't control.

TixieLix · 28/06/2019 14:06

I get that Penelope feels exposed if the garden is small and you're close to her windows, but that's not your problem and she should have considered that before taking on the ground floor flat. I'd suggest some sort of boundary to separate your areas and Penelope getting reflective coating for her windows or 'day and night' type blinds so that she can have light and see out, but gets a bit more privacy indoors. She can't and shouldn't stop you using the garden space.

MrsSpenserGregson · 28/06/2019 14:06

OMG put a fence up - this sounds sooooo stressful. Of course you should be able to use the garden that you've paid for!! Penelope, regardless of MH issues, is being very very unreasonable.

Personally I would send a solicitor's letter, telling them that they have two choices:

  1. you will be erecting a fence on your side of the mutually agreed boundary, at your expense, and Penelope will agree in writing not to harass you further;
or
  1. you all use the entire garden whenever you want. Let Penelope deal with that!

(I realise that option 1 has potential issues re the Land Registry - you'd need legal advice on that I guess, depending on what the deeds say - does your flat actually include a specific half of the garden, or is it more of a verbal agreement between the two property owners?)

Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 28/06/2019 14:06

Let batshit penelope pay for the fencing Confused

Also why doesn’t she just get some blinds for her French door like a normal person

She is just looking for any excuse.

I guarantee once the garden is sorted she’ll be banging on about...
the imaginary noise. again.
where you park the car.
where the bins are placed.

I feel for you

YogaDrone · 28/06/2019 14:06

YANBU. Put a fence up. Sharing the space clearly isn't working.

WhenDoISleep · 28/06/2019 14:07

Either put a fence up or a couple of those rectangular planters with trellis along the dividing boundary, if you don't want to do anything permanent. Then you grow some nice climbing plants to screen it further - I'd be putting some solar fairy lights on it too.

MrsSpenserGregson · 28/06/2019 14:07

Haha is Penelope the 1% who says YABU ? Grin

MrsSpenserGregson · 28/06/2019 14:08

@WhenDoISleep I'd be hanging wind chimes and installing a very loud water feature

ChotaPeg · 28/06/2019 14:08

You sound like a lovely, considerate neighbour OP. Shared garden sounds tricky (and probably not a good fit for Penelope, who sounds like she is feeling quite sensitive at the moment). Getting into a situation where you are having to plan your garden usage around how a neighbour is feeling on a particular day, or their social life, doesn't sound sustainable though. I don't really have a solution to add to those that have been mooted above but I just wanted to say you've been nothing but very reasonable from the sounds of things. xx

FizzyGreenWater · 28/06/2019 14:08

How long is the garden? I'd split it, small or not. Especially if your fire stairs go into 'your' end bit.

Tiny Kasbah-style outside space could be lovely. With fence between the two!

Juells · 28/06/2019 14:08

As pp suggest, a big fence. I share a garden, and have a fence across it so everyone knows where they are. She's very unreasonable so your wants won't matter. Make the fence high enough that she can't see over it, or she'll make your life hell.

If you block the light in her patch that'll be a bonus.

billy1966 · 28/06/2019 14:09

OP, she doesn't want to share the garden she's bought half of, she wants you to piss off.

She's hoping if she complains enough, you'll feel so uncomfortable in YOUR garden, that you'll do exactly that and just not use it.

I would be very clear that you will use your garden when and how you like. You are being too accommodating.

I would definitely go to the expense of fencing off and I would only deal with Samuel.

Penelope sounds like a spoilt brat and I would treat her as such.

NerdyBird · 28/06/2019 14:10

I agree that Penelope thinks the whole garden should be hers, and has probably given her guests that impression too. You being in the garden exposes her lie.

I expect they've gone quiet in the hopes you leave it and don't put up a fence as that too would make it obvious it's shared.

Stand your ground!

sneakypinky · 28/06/2019 14:10

Perhaps she should buy a flat without a shared garden, if she does not want to share the garden.

Mad as a box of frogs.

Juells · 28/06/2019 14:10

@MrsSpenserGregson
I'd be hanging wind chimes and installing a very loud water feature

That's 'cos you is a meanie Grin

Orlandointhewilderness · 28/06/2019 14:11

Fence! She is a fruit loop I reckon.

gamerchick · 28/06/2019 14:12

Sounds like your neighbour isn't suited to a flat. I admit I wouldn't like a shared garden either.

She doesn't have the right to dictate to you though, she needs to concentrate on getting somewhere to live thats more suitable tbh.

gamerchick · 28/06/2019 14:13

Or split the garden into 2. I don't know if that would be enough though.

YogaDrone · 28/06/2019 14:13

After I had erected my fence I would be having a BBQ Grin

It doesn't have to be a solid 6 foot high fence, it could be a low fence with some trellis at the top and some climbers. Or even things like these: amazon.co.uk/vidaXL-Acacia-Garden-Planter-Trellis/dp/B07F3DVFQ5/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1JSGNIN10VF2E&keywords=planters+with+trellis&qid=1561727564&s=outdoors&sprefix=planters+with+trellis%2Caps%2C151&sr=1-4 planter with trellis]] if you don't want anything too permanent.

DrinkSangriaInThePark · 28/06/2019 14:14

You DEFINITELY need a fence!

TitianaTitsling · 28/06/2019 14:14

What Billy says- she wants the whole garden, sod this for game of thrones, a small garden is better than none!!

Sewrainbow · 28/06/2019 14:14

Yanbu Penelope needs to move!

Snowy81 · 28/06/2019 14:14

Fence!

TitianaTitsling · 28/06/2019 14:14

game of soldiers! Or maybe autocorrect has it better 😆!