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AIBU?

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I can't do laundry when you're in your garden

618 replies

Fairylighting · 28/06/2019 13:38

Ok, so I really don't think IABU, but was chatting to a friend about this fiasco last night and thought it would be worth putting it to the MN jury! I'll try not to drip feed, but that means this might be rather long!

I live in the first floor flat of a Victorian terrace conversion in London. It's a share of freehold with the ground floor flat and we technically each own half of the garden; my the back half from my fire escape stairs to the back fence and them the front half, from their French doors to the bottom of my steps. The whole freehold and both properties were previously owned by the same person, who rented each flat out and the garden has never been physically split by a fence or hedge etc. When I moved in (at the about same time as my downstairs neighbours), we had a brief discussion whereby we decided to share the garden since it's very small and that seemed like the most sensible and beneficial way to enjoy it.

Since then, we've had a few (4x over 20 months) minor issues where one of them (let's call her Penelope) has sent a message to our shared WhatsApp group complaining about noise, most of which wasn't actually coming from my flat. For example, once when I was away for a weekend and another time when I was asleep in bed. Then, one morning after they had been disturbed by noise from my flat, after I'd had to make a phonecall late at night I got a WhatsApp message from Penelope requesting that I don't have the TV or radio on in my bedroom after 10.30pm Sunday-Thursday... in some ways that one was easy since I don't have a TV or radio in my bedroom.

After that, we arranged to meet up for a cuppa to discuss their issues and set a date to do so a couple of weeks later. A few days before that date I was in the garden with my mum, having a cup of tea, in the afternoon. Penelope came outside and explained that they were having guests over for lunch and felt exposed because we were in the garden, and requested that we went outside. I said that I didn't think that was a reasonable request and she went inside crying.

We then met for the planned chat and Penelope and her partner (he can be Samuel for the purposes of this thread) explained that the noise wasn't really an issue and that it hadn't happened very often, also that Penelope is a light sleeper and is probably more bothered about it because of that, so we dropped that issue. Penelope then started talking about the garden and how exposed they feel in their home, when I'm in the shared garden before Samuel suggested she might want to apologise for the events of the preceding weekend. She did so, and I explained how rude I had felt that was before she continued to explain how bothered they were by the whole issue. I expressed some sympathy but also said that I like using the garden and that it's one of the reasons I bought the flat. We agreed to share schedules so they and I could plan any events involving guests for times when the other party is away if possible. We did that over the course of the following week.

About a week later I got a message saying it was Penelope's birthday and asking whether I could therefore not use the garden, so they could relax in their home. The following day I got a message with some ideas for changing the garden in a way that would make it more open with fewer changes of level and planting. I replied to say that I was happy to chat it through but that it sounded like a lot of work and might also further reduce their privacy then the conversation went quiet.

Another week later I sent a message saying that I was considering buying some solar powered fairy lights for the garden and I got a really tetchy reply from Penelope, who was upset that they'd be shining light into their property all night long. I explained that we could just turn them on and off as we wanted to use them. This prompted another message asking me not to use the garden on the Saturday of that weekend, followed by a long message explaining how upset they are by my use of the garden and how it prevents them from doing laundry and cooking. Penelope said this has all triggered her depression and anxiety and that they're worried the lights will look tacky and encourage me to use the garden in the evenings.

I replied on WhatsApp saying I wanted to consider a proper response and drafted a long email over a few days, setting out the legal position and the fact that I want to use the garden (or at least my part of it) freely. I proposed a way forwards that included me and Samuel communicating until Penelope feels better, neither party making any changes to the garden in the short term, informing eachother of any abnormal use of the garden in advance, and that our default position would need to be a return to the legal split of the garden.

Anyway, that was two weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep since... What's happened?!

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NeutralJanet · 28/06/2019 13:53

Can't they get that reflexive stuff on their French doors, its like a mirror type film so you can see out but people can't see in, a couple of the houses near me that have front windows looking onto the local swing park have it. As for thinking she can tell you when to use your part of the garden, she is being unreasonable. I have sympathy with her anxiety and depression but it's a shared space so she will have to find a way to cope with you using it.

GrotchCoblin · 28/06/2019 13:54

Why does she feel exposed? Can she not just draw the curtains?

Are you perhaps sitting two feet away from her French windows staring in?

jamiecooks · 28/06/2019 13:54

Fence. She sounds like a nightmare neighbour - you must be a very patient person as I think I'd have lost it by now!!

DNAwrangler · 28/06/2019 13:55

Definitely go back to split garden with a fence. It might be smaller, but right now you don't actually have any garden, do you?

Do neighbours not have curtains or similar?

Tbh I don't think it's really about the garden. Sounds like Penelope isn't in a good place and she's latched on to you using the garden. Unless you've left out that you're a nudist...

crustycrab · 28/06/2019 13:55

Why did you allow her to accuse you of noise 4 times that wasn't you? I don't get that bit.

Can you post pic of the garden? A fence might be ridiculous. Penelope should move if she can't handle it

WhoKnewBeefStew · 28/06/2019 13:55

If you can see on the plans which part is your garden, I’d then fence it off, job done. She can’t moan then. However I think she’s the type to moan about most things, re your comments on noise etc, so I don’t think you’ll have heard the last of her

FriarTuck · 28/06/2019 13:56

I feel for Samuel - he probably has to put up with this saga day after day after day....
Penelope is barking. It's your garden too. She either goes half on a fence or buys blinds so she can't see you. I do agree with her a bit on the intrusiveness of the lights though if you're switching them off when not in use that's fine.

NC4Now · 28/06/2019 13:56

Fence!!!

madcatladyforever · 28/06/2019 13:57

God almighty why don't they move if they are so unhappy. The constant whingeing would really make me lose my rag.

LoafofSellotape · 28/06/2019 13:57

I'd fence off too or pots with tall plants to create a barrier. I wouldn't discuss it with her either,just do it.

DNAwrangler · 28/06/2019 13:58

Hmm just read GrotchCoblins reply, and distance from her French doors is a reasonable point. I'm sitting on my sofa, a few cm from my French doors, and it would be weird if someone was sitting right outside. But then, I wouldn't invite them to do so... Yep, time to split the garden and distance yourself.

JoxerGoesToStuttgart · 28/06/2019 13:58

Forget sharing the garden. She will be a nightmare forever. Split the garden with a fence and then she gets no say over what you do in it or when.

Also start ignoring her texts about noise.

Snidpan · 28/06/2019 13:59

yeah, some humans aren't good with territory and borders, hence wars. I'm not sure I understood how it was previously split, but Penelope seems to need the half of the garden nearest the building, and you'l have to have the furthest away half, with a little path from your steps to the rear of garden. Better have solid panels, in case she thinks you're peeping through slats! Perhaps your half could be a little bigger, to compensate not having it at your back door, so to speak.

peachgreen · 28/06/2019 13:59

Yeah, fence.

SunnyCoco · 28/06/2019 13:59

Fence / pots / bamboo screen

Or they can put frosting film on their glass

FFS what a pain in the arse

BowiesJumper · 28/06/2019 14:00

Can we have a diagram? :D

Snidpan · 28/06/2019 14:00

Ask Samuel how much of a real issue this all is, and how much is what she chooses to fret over when she's having and anxiety attack.

MissLadyM · 28/06/2019 14:02

She sounds crackers and annoying. You've been reasonable but fences are the way to go now!

Whathappenedtooursummer · 28/06/2019 14:02

Penelope is telling her guests the whole garden is hers isn't she??. Fence op. And fairy lights.
And wind chimes!!
Grin

LakieLady · 28/06/2019 14:02

YANBU, she's batshit.

I agree with a PP, I think the best way forward would be to have separate ares, fenced if you feel it necessary. That way, as long as you're in your own bit and not doing stuff like having a bonfire when she's sunbathing, you can do what you jolly well like in your own garden.

It sounds to me like she wants the privacy that comes with living in a house, without actually paying for a house.

Pursefirst · 28/06/2019 14:03

Penelope sounds batshit crazy like a total drama queen.

You've been MORE than accommodating OP and I would not engage in any further communication with them.

Everyone knew that the garden was shared before the flats were purchased, so Penelope either needs to give her head a serious wobble, or sell up and move to Mars where she won't be disturbed by anyone

rwalker · 28/06/2019 14:03

fuck her off put a fence up

Pinkfinkle · 28/06/2019 14:03

I think Penelope needs medical help...

Michelleoftheresistance · 28/06/2019 14:05

I think What has nailed it: Penelope sees the garden as hers, and has probably has explained it to others as being hers.

Fence. They own a flat with shared garden. If they don't like it, they're free to find another home that offers an exclusive garden and isn't overlooked. Blinds/film also an immediate privacy option.

Redcrayons · 28/06/2019 14:05

She’s trying to steal your garden. Carry on as normal.