To wonder what planet Boris Johnson and the conservatives are on

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Boris Johnson's big idea is to cut taxes for the wealthiest people in society. Jeremy Hunt is concerned about lowering the abortion limit. Matt Hancock had to literally be forced to comment on the scandal at Whorlton Hall. I have just watched the second panorama programme on care. We have a care crisis. We do not spend enough money on caring for elderly and disabled people. I honestly despair that anyone would consider voting for these idiots who have no understanding of normal life and the actual problems that people are facing.

I agree with you , but people will still vote conservative.
I'm sure you'll have lots of replies as to why soon enough. They are better with the economy is the general consensus. Brexit is another.
It's hard getting into the heads of people that do vote for them but people seem to trust them more and labour are unelectable because they still have Jeremy Corbyn in charge and his seen as a communist lefty and dangerous. Politics is in a bad way at the moment. It's quite depressing.

YANBU they are all nuts

I know right? Yet people still vote for the cretins.

I know! I can't believe anyone would think any of these twats either a) have a clue about or b) give a shit about the lives of ordinary people!

Boris, Hunt, Gove, Rees-Mogg ... I don't like Tories at the best of times but these really are the worst of the worst!!

I thought Boris was raising the upper tax threshold to £80k. I agree with that,the current threshold hasn't kept up with inflation. The wealthiest won't even notice. Those between £50k and £80k will. Said bracket are hardly rich,have lost cb and are expected to fund children through uni at £300 a month per child. And wouldn't it only be 20% on the difference between 50 and 80 i.e. 20% of £30k that the millionaires would get. I'm sure it would get clawed back elsewhere though. Bet he's only saying it to get support and sweeten remainders in that bracket in between. We all know he lies so I doubt he'd stick to it if elected anyway.

The Tory's are frankly horrific, that said, Labour's not doing all that much better.

What's your alternative?

Tax cuts for 'the rich' will have zero impact on my life, good or bad, and I'd rather that than that anti sematic alternative bunch, or the racist bunch, or the tree huggers

People only seem to care about money...more specifically THEIR own personal money. People for some crazy reason seem to think that the conservatives are the protectors of private wealth.( God knows why as most ordinary people's private wealth has diminished under this government.)

Tories being Tories is neither new or a surprise.

That we don't have an effective opposition distressed me very much. A strong Labour party should be making mincemeat out of these clowns. Instead they are embroiled in anti-semitism, misogyny, identity politics, and lack a proper POV on Brexit.

They have become quite a pathetic opposition party at a time when they should be really succeeding.

UnicornBrexit spending public money on cutting tax for the already well off will have an impact on the available money for vulnerable people needing help and support. Government spending has an impact on everyone's lives unless of course you are incredibly wealthy and do not need to rely on the state for health and social care. I am not sure really how you can say that tax cuts won't have an impact on your life.

They have become quite a pathetic opposition party at a time when they should be really succeeding.

Absolutely. The floor is literally wide open with the current state of government. Any decent opposition would be wiping the floor with them. Corbyn must go.

@unicornbrexit Tax cuts for 'the rich' will have zero impact on my life, good or bad

It will reduce revenue available to spend on public services so will impact all our lives. The most likely scenario is that the poor will suffer and so even if you don't consider yourself in that bracket you surely have some compassion for those who are?

And if you mean the greens when you say "tree huggers" then the environment is probably the single most important issue facing us at the next election and by voting for Boris (most likely candidate) you will be voting for someone who doesn't seem to believe that climate change is manmade so essentially voting for your children to face some catastrophic consequences.

Don't forget either that the money to cut the income tax for those on 50-80k is coming from the funds put aside for a no deal Brexit. Which Johnson seems to pretty much wholeheartedly support.

As much as I can sympathise with the fact that the cut off for the higher rate hasn't matched inflation, I don't think that the time or place for bunging this somewhat privileged group a favour is as we face crashing out of the EU without a deal, arguably the biggest peacetime disaster for the UK in modern history. We have many groups of people who are far more vulnerable right now, let alone when food and petrol prices go through the roof, and even more jobs are lost...

It's an out and out bribe those those party members who will be voting for Mays successor.

it's a shower of shite isn't it

not sure if it's true but some are saying BJ plan to fund that tax cut is to increase National Insurance.

Raab is going to reallocate some foreign aid funds to create a wildlife fund - I love wildlife but seriously, what now?!

Agree that Labour should be making mincemeat out of this lot, but no, they are too busy with....actually I don't really know what.

politics is a shambles at the moment.

Isn't he planning on raising NI so most of it would come from that. As is typical,they give with a fanfare but take from elsewhere. Rich pensioners ( who also enjoyed the CB for their kids)would benefit the most as they don't pay NI.

It'll take more than an extra £1k for us to forgive BJ or any other Tory for the CB unfairness,his lies and Brexit.

I'm sort but 50k may not be filthy rich but it's wealthier than the vast majority of us can ever hope to be. The average uk salary is £29k so most of those people who will benefit from the tax cut are earning twice the average!!

But they won't be necessarily that much better off janet, and they certainly won't feel the difference. It's a policy designed to appeal to would be high-fliers.

What an absolute shower of idiots that have put themselves forward for leader. We’re doomed, doomed, I tell you! I hate to say it but I think they’d be better keeping old Maybot. God help us if that Boris barmpot gets it.

Vlad why wouldn't they notice the difference? Most of us notice every spare penny!

A strong Labour party should be making mincemeat out of these clowns.

This.

Somebody on £60k gets zilch from the state and more than pay their share of tax. They're not mega rich.Sorry I don't feel angry if they get an extra £1k a year. For those with uni age kids it could be the diff between their kids going and not. Ridiculously kids in this bracket can't have the full loans and parents are supposed to pay £4K a year.

Many will have spent years working up to that bracket too. There doesn’t seem much incentive to be honest.

Rosa I totally get that. I certainly do. But my point is more so about the policy as a whole. It's much better to increase minimum-wage/living wage and work from the bottom up. Affordable housing especially in cities like London. Making pay keep up with the cost of living. A tax cut for someone on £50k is hardly a radical improvement to the living standards of most people.

Appealing to potential Tory voters. As Arct1Tern says, a lot of people will have spent time working towards that sort of salary. Therefore Boris' goal here isn't to improve society as a whole - it's to win extra would be Tory voters who've really had to work to get to that level and don't want the state taking their apparent hard earned cash.