To wonder what planet Boris Johnson and the conservatives are on

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Boris Johnson's big idea is to cut taxes for the wealthiest people in society. Jeremy Hunt is concerned about lowering the abortion limit. Matt Hancock had to literally be forced to comment on the scandal at Whorlton Hall. I have just watched the second panorama programme on care. We have a care crisis. We do not spend enough money on caring for elderly and disabled people. I honestly despair that anyone would consider voting for these idiots who have no understanding of normal life and the actual problems that people are facing.

the middle got a tax cut when the twx free threshold increased

Anyone else watch Chanel 4 news on rural poverty? 1 in 4 children living in families without an income of less than 60% of the median income, which is currently around £29k.

So, there are a significant number of people living on very, very little and many are in work. If you’re rubbing your hands in glee at getting a tax break at their expense you should be bloody ashamed of yourself. That loss of tax revenue is going to hit lower earners/unemployed/can’t work more when services are cut to pay for it.

Of course, no doubt somelike to tell themselves they work hard so deserve it. 🙄

Oh and they got one this year when the tsx threshold was raised to 50k.

Actually, many of you may be surprised to learn that in Scotland if you earn less than £30k you pay less tax than those in England & Wales. Higher earners pay a bit more.

Not greed, simply wanting to pay the same for care as non home owners ie not the higher fees homes charge and not a house worth of extra money on point of need. I don’t need to be an expert to know that both sections of society should pay the same for the same care. You want a lump sum for care at point of need then charge non home owners too.

Yup greed.

Why should the state subsidise inheritance?

Oh and the state will only pay for a certain level of care home so no you don't get the same if you pay privately.

I agree with the tax cut. 50 k isn’t a lot, 60 k even isn’t a lot, 70 k isn’t even a lot. All of this without the benefits that the state offers to lower earners.

Funny that it put us into the top 20.percent of earners (50k), 70k puts us in the top 5 percent.

It is a lot. Pretending it isn't is ridiculous.

You do realise that the vast majority of people earning that amount, worked hard to earn that amount?

It annoys me how so many British people believe it’s higher earners responsibility to supplement their lower income via taxes.

I’m not talking about supporting people who are disabled and can’t work or the SAHM whose husband fucked off and doesn’t support the kids.

I’m talking the 21 k earners who choose a career in drama and expects the government to support her a little and tax her less than the Economist or Doctor.

If you want more money, work for it and earn it.

This allows motivation to better yourself in society.

That’s just my opinion. I’m wiling to change my mind though

I earn 40k plus a car.
I sometimes pinch myself, i'm soooo rich.... my mum used to cry herself to sleep worrying about paying bills, i'd shop lift for food and clothes were hand me downs, we never had a holiday, my first was when i was 24.

Anyone who is struggling on 50k plus is being wasteful

This tax cut will cost far more than it would to fully fund adult social care, BJ is appealing to the tory membership base, many who earn far more in investments than 80k.

High earners benefit from society more than low earners, it facilitates their earning.

Great strawman about the drama student, what about the vast majority of other low paid jobs that arent frivolous in your mind?

Oh and please stop banging on about hard work, you know what the biggest indicator of a child's future income? Their parents income, not what they did at school or how hard they work.

The self attribution fallacy is evident im abundance here.

since "All of this without the benefits that the state offers to lower earners."

what benefits are these? To those on say, £20k? Feel like I'm missing something here.

as for the "working hard" - carers work very hard, nurses work very hard, many essential workers work very hard. Surely increasing the tax free allowance would be a better option?

as for the "bettering themselves" comments - what do you want, for no one to be doing those jobs? These people are among the most important people we have.

It annoys me how so many British people believe it’s higher earners responsibility to supplement their lower income via taxes.

But this is literally how our taxation system works! If you want to pay less tax, by all means go and get a NMW job. Your tax bill will be minimal. Sadly, so will your take home

It annoys me people bleating on about there being no incentive to earn over a certain amount, as if tax wasn't progressive.

Someone on 60k will be £166 a month better off.

Wow.

Wow Zippee that is a lot!
To the PP who feels so hard done by for being a higher earner and having to maybe sell their home sometime in the future to fund their care, don't you realise that a majority of the poor in the UK do work and do pay to live somewhere, but need the government to help them more than you need them. It's not all about you. The government should work for everyone, not just the better off.

Btw, care at home isn't means-tested. My DM owns her own home, has 100 grand in savings, has a state and small work pension, and still gets money given to her to pay for carers. I think that's bonkers personally.

Yes they are shit, utter shit

Yet i'd rather have them in power than Corbyn and a momentum hijacked Labour

If I have to choose between living in an American style unfair society, or a Venezuelan style "fair" society (where everyone eats from the bins) I choose the US (Tory) style

It's a bloody depressing choice though

Can't vote Lib Dem either as they shafted students and are remainers which is not right for now.

I hate all politicians right now ....

We need an MN party of pragmatists

Almost as unfair as Jeremy Corbins plan. To replace council tax with a system where properties are taxed locally on the size of the plot the property occupies. It would only be paid by property owners ( not those renting). So watch out all those single elderley people living in bungalows because you will have to pay for your own local services and towards those for families living in rented accomodation.

Someone on 60k will be £166 a month better off

Will they?

Bloody hell?

Still not voting tory though

Corbyn

Venezuela fail.

Why not compare the UK to societies which operate much like the Labour party manifesto set out? Oh you know like Germany, Norway and Denmark.

Oh and Landlords would pay the chqnge to council tax for renters, poor understanding shown there, so renters would pay indirectly. However it has its merits, the UK is one of the few countries without a property tax.

so how does the "plot of land" thing work if you are in a leasehold flat?

I'm not vanishing if anyone answers, but I must go to bed.

Wasn’t what I saw on the BBC. There was a care home owner being interviewed about the unfairness in the system. They had private and state residents. She said she felt awful but the private residents were charged more for the same care to supplement those paid for by the state. Utterly unfair. Those residents pay more twice firstly via their house and then through higher fees or the house money is eaten up quicker than it should be.Then when their house money has run out some get moved on. Nobody can say that is fair.

StarShaped. I’m pretty sure you’re looking in the wrong direction for anti-semitism, because an anti-left media have pointed you there. Have a look at these figures.
I’m also pretty disgusted with all the ‘middle’ earners, earning almost twice the national median salary, whingeing about being hard done to and so much harder than anyone else.

And WORK so much harder.