To wonder what planet Boris Johnson and the conservatives are on

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Boris Johnson's big idea is to cut taxes for the wealthiest people in society. Jeremy Hunt is concerned about lowering the abortion limit. Matt Hancock had to literally be forced to comment on the scandal at Whorlton Hall. I have just watched the second panorama programme on care. We have a care crisis. We do not spend enough money on caring for elderly and disabled people. I honestly despair that anyone would consider voting for these idiots who have no understanding of normal life and the actual problems that people are facing.

I get that The Sandman but ultimately he has to be able to defeat Labour in general election so even some of the Tory membership might have issues with this stance as it displays a lack of nous and makes it easier for Corbyn. If he backtracks after he looks a fool but then I can’t comprehend why not everybody knows this already given he manages to fuck up any job he’s given.

The next leader has to be able to appeal to more than just the Tory membership but also be enough Tory to stop some sloping off to the Brexit Party and splitting that vote. I don’t see that in anyone currently up for running

Yanbu op. What more will it take for people to stop voting conservative?

I can’t comprehend why not everybody knows this already given he manages to fuck up any job he’s given.

Me neither.

But to answer the OP's original question about wondering what planet BloJob and the Conservatives are on. It's the same planet as we live on but they own it.

What they do or don't do doesn't really matter. It's a game. The Eton game. Do you think about the effects of your moves in Monopoly on the Racing Car or the Wee Dog? Nope? Neither do they.

We're just the little counters they shove about.

At the moment he is ONLY concerned with the 124,000 (or thereabouts) Conservative Party membership. At the moment that is the ONLY group he is interested in winning over.

^This.

Tax cuts for 'the rich' will have zero impact on my life, good or bad,

Who do you think will be paying for it, especially when he plans on putting up NI contributors as well.

Love the way Zipee accuses the BBC of pedalling fake news. Many elderly spend more than 3 years in care and many are in care after their money has run out.

We have a family member who has just gone through this. She is on her last year of funding from her house, it didn’t last long at all. No idea where she is going after. It’s insanity. The amount she paid and the system.If care isn’t being paid for through tax where do you expect money to be taken from for those who are contributing nothing and have no house to give? Surely we all have a responsibility for our care and a system needs to be set up so that we all pay for it. Thanks for the heads up re the easiness of signing the house over to your children. I’ll look into it.

Boris is playing the Trump card with tax cuts for the rich. The people who would benefit most are wealthy pensioners who don’t pay National Insurance...such as very many Conservative party members. Shameless git that he is.

Actually it appears that it was Cansu who made the false claim that those over the threshold simply transfer houses to children. 🙄It would be seen as deprivation of assets and authorities are on to it. I’m guessing those under are good kind people who just willingly hand over their dc’s inheritance.

This thread has opened my eyes to the realities of who little there is to vote for when you stumble past the Brexit nightmare. I’ll never forget the way labour frittered money( child tax fund anybody). The lack of thought and scorn towards the squeezed middle from them is huge. Once you start discussing life after Brexit you remember how much so. Will have to wait and see what Libdems come up with but like many in the middle we are sick and tired and frankly after been forced to leave the EU will look to who actually takes the middle into consideration for once.

"Agree that Labour should be making mincemeat out of this lot, but no, they are too busy with....actually I don't really know what."

Have any of those criticising labour actually read their manifesto? Looked at what they're doing to change things?

Are you aware that you're not going to be seeing pro-Labour articles and news items because the majority of the msm and a good chunk of non msm are owned and operated by tory party members, voters and supporters?

"The average uk salary is £29k so most of those people who will benefit from the tax cut are earning twice the average!!" Exactly! £50k is a hell of a lot more than I'll ever see! It's almost 5 X my current income and about 3 X my last salary. These are NOT the part of the population that is struggling by any means!!

We've had effectively for 40 years a right wing govt, they've fucked the country up, time to try something else!

"It's much better to increase minimum-wage/living wage and work from the bottom up."
Definitely - trickle down economics doesn't work! The well off don't spend their money, the poor - when they have it - do, which stimulates the economy. I've actually asked an economist about this as its not my expertise and he confirmed an actual living wage would make a huge difference. Apparently politicians - particularly tory politicians won't do it because they'd lose votes and support from their major party contributors NOT because they don't understand this.

"Well being Jewish I will vote Conservative because I’m so worried about the unashamedly anti-Semitic Labour party getting in" sorry but I'm sick of seeing this nonsense! I'm not saying there aren't issues with anti-semitism in the Labour Party and that does need addressing, but if you think there isn't just as much within the tory party you're deluded! They've always been major bigots

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-antisemitism-political-parties

It may be more clever, more subtle but it's still there.

Also being anti Israeli action in the ME does NOT = anti Semitic there are many Jews also critical of these policies and actions.

"I'm in Scotland, the day I vote tory I'll shoot myself. I despise them. Most Scots do." Absolutely!

"And over 45" although sorry but I'm almost 47 and never have nor ever would vote Tory and neither would the majority of my friends and family many of whom are English and Welsh.

Burpsandrustles - Blair and "new labour" were centre right and NOT true labour.

"You do realise that the vast majority of people earning that amount, worked hard to earn that amount?" Are you really suggesting nmw & low income workers don't work hard?! You REALLY think cleaners, care assistants, nursery workers, bin men, retail workers etc don't work hard?!

Salary isn't equal to effort, certainly not in this country!

"Anyone who is struggling on 50k plus is being wasteful" totally agree

"as for the "bettering themselves" comments - what do you want, for no one to be doing those jobs? These people are among the most important people we have." Absolutely it was a shockingly crass and snobby post!

No one is a high earner based all on their own individual work

Exactly! The element of sheer luck is often repeatedly ignored

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It's so depressing to read comments by some higher earners on here trying to justify this bribe of a tax cut that will cost in the region of £10bn.
Yes, they probably work very hard, stressful long hours, but so do many other people who earn half that amount.
It sounds as though this tax cut will be partly funded by a rise in NI contributions. I would happily pay more NI, but object very strongly to it going towards a tax cut for higher earners.

And there we have it - ignoring the fucking up that labour did and would do, the anti Semitism, the wishy wasn’t stance on Brexit that pretty much speaks for how they’d run the country, the rudeness and scorn towards the middle....

I earn the minimum wage and can see how little the stress I endure is in comparison to my dh who has worked his arse off from nothing for zilch. But because he’s just over the threshold he is viewed as living and working in easy street, wasteful, a cheat.....

I have hated the Tories and their Brexit nightmare but when we move on( no thanks to labour who could have helped te stopping Brexit and something I’ll never forgive them for) it is clear the Labour Party and a Labour gov would have nothing to offer for our family.They only have scorn.

Like many we are thus in voting no mans land and wil have to vote for a best fit. I’ll be putting my family first this time, nobody else will. Like everybody we’ll have to watch and wait. Lib Dem stood up to remain. If they keep green issues up front and remember the middle they’ll get my vote. If not we’ll look elsewhere but anywhere other than labour.

Both labour and the Tories have let us down, holding labour up as a paragon of virtue now is utterly ridiculous.

The problem is. People in his bracket have always had a mind to vote.
We need to work out why on average 30-40% of the population don’t vote. And who they are.
But he doesn’t care about that, he just cares about winning. And if someone said to you. You have a sector or society who are unhappy and usually always vote, well you give them what they want! It’s logical if all you care about is being in power.

Claiming that Labour anti semitism is being ignored, whilst studiously avoiding the levels in the Conservative party is massively hypocritical.

Again no one has held Labour up as a paragon of virtue.

Although blaming tax credits as wasting money and ignoring the main source of the banks who crashed tge economy again is rather disingenuous

Who on earth has suggested your husband doesn't work hard for his money, is wasteful and a cheat Arct?

3 years is the average length of time spent in an old folks home, so of course ypu know people who have spent more time.
Good to see that you've admitted you want the state to subsidise inheritance though.

Anybody in the middle bracket who can’t manage is apparently wasteful and they all sign their parents’ houses over to avoid paying care fees. Anybody undervis struggling or going to food banks.Then we get the sheer hard graft and going without with zero assistance for years to get there that is just swept aside, the belittling of mental stress and responsibility that often comes with a higher wage...

It’s ok we get it. The Labour Party and followers hate and are pretty disdainful of anybody with a toe into this bracket. Just don’t hold labour up as the saintly sensible party out for the good of all or expect our vote.

The fact is there are a lot of middle voters who have left both parties over Brexit and both need them. They will both need to put something out there to attract them. I’m sure labour will come up with its own fanfare and lies.

As do non home owners Zippe. Don’t notice many saving to give in fees.

You haven't had "zero assistance " for years, you may not have had any direct benefits but you will hsve had plenty of indirect benefits in kind.

Strawman about the labour party and about anyone under.

Plenty of effort and mental stress in roles below this bracket, and plenty of jobs that require lots of training.

You are totally guilty of the self attribution fallacy and very poor arguments in general.

How do non home owners get government subsidy for inheritence ? If they have savings these go towards fees.

Basically your argument is you don't like anyone other than you benefitting

Got it.

50k a year is not a particular high salary, especially in London & other large cities.

He will get a lot of support for this.

Totally agree OP. All we keep hearing is things like "the public's favourite candidate is Rory Stewart". Well, Boris's bribe isnt aimed at the gener public is it? It's aimed at achieving his goal of getting elected Tory leader by appealing to all the wealthy pe pensioners who will put him there. And by then the general public are well and truly fucked.

Incidentally, I earn more than 50k and think it's absolutely abhorrent that his policy will make the wealthy even wealthier while thousands languish beneath the poverty line, reliant on food banks. How far wrong does a moral compass need to be to think that's in any way fair? But then I'd happily pay more tax to protect our NHS too - perhaps I'm an anomaly.

They're a bunch of morally bankrupt charlatans. The good ones among them are notable simply for being more human than the rest. But that's exactly why the Tories won't choose them.

Only on mumsnet, bastion of the privileged (it seems), do people think a £50k salary is "not that much"

Bloody hell

50k is still a large salary, even in London, its 17k more than the average.

We’ll benefit from any tax cuts. I think the leadership contenders are awful in countless ways.

Johnson was twice sacked for blatant dishonesty. Can’t keep his trousers buttoned. Writing ‘witty’ racist claptrap, not even knowing Africa was a continent rather than a country. A philanderer, a cad, a pompous bore riding freely on family connections.

Gove a self confessed opiate consumer who should face prosecution not a leadership contest. What sort of role model is that? A nurse would be struck off for less but he’s allowed to openly admit to drug consumption and filling dealers pockets without sanction. Pity he didn’t take such a relaxed attitude towards the curriculum and exams.

Hunt. The richest man in the government. A chameleon because of his instinct for survival and willingness to ‘adapt’ to changed circumstances: he has pivoted from voting Remain in the 2016 referendum and, at one point, demanding a second referendum to comparing, in one ill-judged speech intended to appease Brexit hardliners, the European Union to the Soviet Union. His complete undermining of the NHS through his reforms, his ability to lose the goodwill of the medical profession and particularly junior doctors and his failure to invest in failing NHS infrastructure are to his discredit.
At least May was reasonably sincere if lacking public people skills.