To wonder what planet Boris Johnson and the conservatives are on

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Boris Johnson's big idea is to cut taxes for the wealthiest people in society. Jeremy Hunt is concerned about lowering the abortion limit. Matt Hancock had to literally be forced to comment on the scandal at Whorlton Hall. I have just watched the second panorama programme on care. We have a care crisis. We do not spend enough money on caring for elderly and disabled people. I honestly despair that anyone would consider voting for these idiots who have no understanding of normal life and the actual problems that people are facing.

No idea who would be best to lead the Tory party.

Wrt politics in general, I don't really like any of them, and have voted for all main parties before.
When I previously voted Labour, they just got us into more debt and also broke many of their promises.

They're all as bad as one another, but I can't stand Corbyn so will vote for whomever would be most likely to keep him out of power.

That said, most MPs have no idea about real peoples' lives, and are so far removed that they just don't get it.

It’s a bold move but I’m not sure if it’s possible - he’d have to get a lot to make up for it

Vlad sorry, I thought maybe you were saying BJ's idea was a very good one but not enough of a tax cut or something!

I think we need a new party, and the whole system needs reforming, but until we have a different system,( possibly like p.r.), it's just a waste of a vote to vote for anyone other than the 2 main parties.

On their planet life is like this: The poor are scorned whilst the rich are revered, if you are ill then you better have private insurance, if you go to a State school then your children will get sub-standard education because there is only such much teachers can do, if you are poor you will get poorer whereas the rich will get richer.

YANBU. So out of touch it's sickening. Child poverty being ignored.

I think Libdems will overtake Labour as the main opposition unless Corbyn goes.

...yet the tories will still secure millions of votes and 100s of MPs, whatever happens next.

They've always been out of touch but at the slightest mention of tax cuts and we all vote Con...

Billions have been wasted lowering Corporation Tax, yet we face a crisis in Social Care, effecting us

People on 60 certainly do not get zilch from the state. They benefit from the bus and doubtless from social care when their elderly parents need care. Many of them manage to transfer their parents homes into their names many years in advance so that they do not have to sell these assets to fund care. I can certainly see why these people vote for Boris because they do seemingly feel they are hard up and deserve a tax cut! Amazing really.

The proposed tax cut is totally at odds with what the country needs which is more investment in public services. As much as they’ll try and focus on those earning 50-80k, it is also a benefit for those on 100k plus. Last budget we were prepared for my high earning husband to be taxed more. Instead he got more in his pocket.

A fair few people on here showing their true colors. Yes, £50K IS rich. It is not 'getting by' it is wealthy. As per normal the Tories are giving to the rich. But what is also clear is that the shortfall in tax will be made up by cutting services and benefits, again. This disproportionately hurts the less well off. Shit underfunded schools? Never mind, Boris and his mates all get private education. Crap hospitals with no resources and knackered, overworked staff? No problem Bojo and his mates all have private healthcare. Tories, working to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Widening the gap between the haves and have nots is the practically the Tory manifesto.

When the centre left are going far left the center right will go far right. The worry here is that we're going to end up even more up shit creek as it is and there won't be any centrist parties at all - which is the most terrifying thing ever.

Just remember that you can only go so far left or so far right before they meet in the middle again and we just end up with a total extremist/socialist/rightwing fucking mess that is all muddled in to one.

Instead of you know, common sense and fairness.

People on 60 certainly do not get zilch from the state. They benefit from the bus and doubtless from social care when their elderly parents need care. Many of them manage to transfer their parents homes into their names many years in advance so that they do not have to sell these assets to fund care. I can certainly see why these people vote for Boris because they do seemingly feel they are hard up and deserve a tax cut! Amazing really.

They benefit from the bus? What does this mean?

Otherwise, this is all speculation as you'll well know.

Last budget we were prepared for my high earning husband to be taxed more. Instead he got more in his pocket.

Send it into the Inland Revenue, you can do this.

Can I just throw into the ring that the Chancellor actually denied poverty was a 'real' thing. His words:

“I reject the idea that there are vast numbers of people facing dire poverty in this country. I don’t accept the UN rapporteur’s report at all. I think that’s a nonsense. Look around you; that’s not what we see in this country.”

This is the sort of country we are living in. So because the guy whose job it is to sign off the checks feels as though poverty doesn't exist then the poor end up suffering more.

Whole article here: www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/03/philip-hammond-accused-of-being-blind-to-scale-of-uk-poverty

@UnicornBrexit

If by "tree huggers" you mean people who would quite like their planet to remain habitable, you need to work on your appalling complacency & ignorance.

We've got about 30 years left before civilisation goes tits up.
www.newscientist.com/article/2205741-is-it-true-climate-change-will-cause-the-end-of-civilisation-by-2050/

Boris' policy was nothing more than to lure those apparent hard-done by £50-£80k earners.

I've no sympathy for them whatsoever. My sympathy lies with the nurse who has to use a food bank. Not a software engineer on £60k in the city. And I say this as being part of the latter crowd.

Well being Jewish I will vote Conservative because I’m so worried about the unashamedly anti-Semitic Labour party getting in. I can’t believe I’m being pushed to vote for the most popular party not because I particularly love their policies but because I have to go with the party that has the most weight behind it simply to protect my family and community. Who could believe this would happen in my lifetime? Not me.

I think "bus" was autocorrect for NHS.

If people on 60k get nicer buses, I will be annoyed

seriously, I wonder how he's tested this. Couldn't he just increase the tax free allowance bit? he's going after a very very specific group of voters with this one, and if he increases NI as well, that's going to piss a lot of people off surely?

Boris is at least showing his hand, he thinks maybe there are lots of people that agree with him? I don't and I don't really think many people, including many Tory voters really do.

He's playing the 'entertainment', keep him in the press hand and will easily U turn on this ridiculous, and an other, proposition.

He (or his PR Team) knows the electorate are chewing at the bit - and he's playing to that.

I'm going to sleep until there's the final 2 - and as I'm not a Tory member (nor any member of) I'll hardly bat an eyelid until they've decided.

Then we'll just have to see what happens from then.

“Send it into the Inland Revenue, you can do this.”

No chance and the number of people doing this will be tiny. I’d rather donate to charity. Ultimately people will spend what they have how they see fit. It is the role of government to regulate, tax or nudge people into different behaviour.

Yes NHS!

I am not sure how I am speculating. Most people on 60k use the NHS and also the care system. Where necessary they subsidise by for example paying for private consultant appointment if needed etc etc. They are not oligarchs but it is undoubtedly comfortably off. As usual though people who are comfortable feel they deserve help via tax cuts. We need to focus on care, education, health and environment.

How on earth can you transfer houses people are still living in? Care is based on your income not your kids. Homeowners are clobbered they scrimp to buy houses,maintain all upkeep and then have to sell and get charged higher fees to supplement non home owners.

I'm in Scotland, the day I vote tory I'll shoot myself. I despise them. Most Scots do. Yet we can't get rid of them. I see the voters as middle englanders from the shires. And over 45. A million miles away from what I know. I despair and just hope the next generation is more compassionate to each other and keep the tories out.

"How on earth can you transfer houses people are still living in"

actually my parents wished they had done this but they had no way of knowing property prices would be so insane.

I presume you need to hire a solicitor, but what they could have done was add me and my sister as joint owners of the house, in addition to them. I think a certain number of years has to pass and then the children get the house free of inheritance tax. But yes, no one ever thought that house prices would be so stupid that this might be worth doing.

A quick Google shows this is definitely possible. I know people who have done this many years in advance of their parents needing care just in case.