To wonder what planet Boris Johnson and the conservatives are on

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Boris Johnson's big idea is to cut taxes for the wealthiest people in society. Jeremy Hunt is concerned about lowering the abortion limit. Matt Hancock had to literally be forced to comment on the scandal at Whorlton Hall. I have just watched the second panorama programme on care. We have a care crisis. We do not spend enough money on caring for elderly and disabled people. I honestly despair that anyone would consider voting for these idiots who have no understanding of normal life and the actual problems that people are facing.

Whilst the top minds of mumsnet are saying Tories are evil and labour /JC is litterally the second coming, lets remember that during the last election Corbyn ran on a manifesto of continuing the majority of the current austerity policies and also backing brexit. To wish for Milliband is nothing more than a tory with a red tie as he was also neolib to the core.

If the voters themselves treated politics a bit more seriously instead of the team sport/religion that some seem to do we may start getting somewhere as a nation.

It’s not state subsidised if you’ve paid for it and others are getting the care from the same payment. You shouldn’t change some twice. No care no NI thanks. NI will be going up to pay for care.

Those on £29 k get £1925. X that by 2 and child benefit on top you’ve got over 4K a month.

It’s not a tax cut it’s just getting taxed the same.

You could not pay me enough money to vote Conservative, i have seen too many horrific things as a result of the austerity they put the country under.

The only part of the manifesto that continued austerity was some of the cuts to benefits.

Nope Miliband wasn't neo liberal, more a mix between a social democrat and a neo lib.

But haven't paid for it. As I said, even as a net tax contributor (and at the tsx threshold discussed) you wouldnt have even paid enough tax to cover a full year of care, especially not when you take out any other services used.

What shall we cut from the budget so that you can pass you asset on to your children untaxed?

"its not a tax cut its just getting taxed the same".

Except it is a tax cut.

Love how youve had to add two incomes together to get to your conclusion.

Utterly spurious.

No worries just charge non homeowners more tax and NI. If non home owners and home owners are paying the same they should get the same. If home owners are expected to stump up yet more than non home owners can do the same.

Btw someone on 50k pays 26 percent of their income in tax, and someone on 29
k pays 20.

The person on 50k earns72 percent more than the person on 29.

And your reasoning re home ownership isn't spurious.

labour /JC is litterally the second coming

Gosh who’s saying that!

Although my dad does refer to jesus as JC...which always throws me if we are talking about politics

Ah you really are a simpleton.

You wont have paid enough tax in your lifetime to cover your care, nor will you have paid enough really to pay for all the benefits in kind you got.

Why should people get free care when they can pay for it, only to protect an asset that they wish to pass on to their children?

My reasoning re home ownership is very clear.

If you own an asset that could be used to pay for your care it is fairer to do so than the tax payer covering it so that your child can inherit it.

Your reasoning that "they paid in" is spurious cause 95 percent or more of the population end their lives in net tax deficit.

Planet Earth.

The ‘middle’ are tired.... tired of being told that we are the enemy. I understand that 50K might feel like a lot for some but for us living it, we are tired of being told we are ‘lucky’ and that we don’t deserve it and that we should just keep more. Tired of both parents working crazy hours in jobs with huge responsibilities - paying off full student loans and degree costs having worked our arses off at school - no cb, no working tax credit whatever, no anything which is fine but then being told it’s not enough, we should be grateful we aren’t using a foodbank and we need to pay more and more and more and we need to put up and shut up because there is an ever growing number of people who we ought to support.

And you really are rude.

My reasoning is clear.Non home owners also won’t have paid enough tax to cover their care. If you expect one section of society to cover that deficit at point of need you do the same with everybody else via higher tax.

Home owners are also being charged higher fees for the same care by homes to prop up those who don’t have assets to be stripped. Home owners are paying extra twice. Neither is ok.

I am someone who would benefit from this proposal - it’s absolutely nuts and the last thing this country needs right now

but the middle dont pay a great deal more proportionally than the low.

The middle, don't need a tax cut.

What shall be cut to pay for it?
Oh and btw to those complaining supporting students? You know this is projected to cost the same as the proposal for no fees?

Oh and the top rates of tax are historically low right now.

Gosh who’s saying that!

The vocal majority on MN in the run up to the last GE, its only recently that the "dyed in the wool always looking out for the working class" has come out in support of neoliberal's. Corbyn offended them that 80K a year wage was going to be targeted to fund his manifesto pledges, any economist giving warning signs on the effect of GDP was just right wing propoganda. You still have some doing whatabout at every opportunity and it will no doubt ramp up when the next GE comes about, but as with Corbyn's 80K bracket, Boris 50K tax initiative highlights the problem with politics and it being treated as a team sport.

Just so I don't get jumped on, I think the ~9bn a year short fall from this tax would have been better to reduce our national debt so our children could have a better footing, but as with most policies, everyone of every stripe is just different shades of short termism.

Oh sorry, i thought you meant on this thread

I was wondering what I’d managed to miss

Yes Zipee but universal ‘benefits’ are also at an all time low. And when the top tax rates were at a historic high, the country’s finances were fucked.

Home owners are not paying twice.

In fact becsuse increases to the value of your home are untaxed this is a trade off.

You are forgetting all the other things homeowners gain benefit from, from the state and making a simple ( so my point was accurate) judgement based on the amount of tax paid.

Ok lets do that.

Discard NI as its for healthcare ( not care homes) and pensions.

someone on 50k had to work for 3 years, without benefiting in anyway from the state at all, to pay enough tax to pay for one year in the cheapest of care homes.

For the average stay in a care home they have to work for 9. Without benefiting from anything from the state at all. Thats assuming that they were net tsx contributors from the beginning of workinh age and had no deficit personally to work off.

Spurious reasoning based on your own greed and lack of understsnding of the tsx system.

@AlecTrevelyan006 us too and it's bonkers. Not least because our finance jobs depend on us remaining in EU.

I think the middle do need a cut so we’ll have to agree to disagree. I also think whoever wants to get in power needs the middle to have a tax cut if they want their vote. They’re fed up and there is zero incentive to work towards pay higher than £50k. That isn’t good for the country financially either.

lurker, i did a quick calculation at the time of the last election and worked out that someone on 120k would be about 80 quid (this is off the top of my head so i might be out) a month worse off the Corbyn tax increases. It really wasn't that bad.