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To think not all boys with long hair look like girls

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FedUpParent · 14/03/2019 20:18

DS is only 3 and i've never cut his hair. I know so many people who've done the same thing, i don't think it's that unusual Confused

Every single person (and i mean every one) i've ever encountered, calls him a girl. Or asks my DD about her "sister".

I'm fully expecting people to get it wrong when he has long hair, that's just how life goes. But every single person? And he wears stereotypical "boys things" if that makes a difference.

It's like in people's minds it's far more likely for a girl to have blue clothes with tractors on etc than for a boy to have long hair (DD has wore "boys clothes" and colours and has never been mistaken for a boy)

I'm not actually bothered and i don't correct them if they're strangers, just seems like a far more frequent occurrence than i expected Grin

OP posts:
Oliversmumsarmy · 15/03/2019 15:47

I prefer shorter hair on boys I think long looks a bit soppy tbh

Do you think long hair on girls is “soppy”.

Ds when he was running for a football with his blond hair streaming back in the breeze he looked every inch the Viking.

Ds with much shorter hair can be wearing his work gear, (training for a trade) Work trousers and Black T. Shirt and steel toe capped boots and Dd can be in her jeans and hoodie in a pub and the barman will still ask what he can get for you 2 ladies

AnOwlCalledPlop · 15/03/2019 15:48

Do posh people not eat fish and chips?

OneStepSideways · 15/03/2019 16:07

I think people see long hair and assume girl even if he has very 'boyish' clothes. Because long for girls short for boys is a very old tradition, things don't change suddenly.

I automatically assume girl when I see a boy with chin length hair/bun/long hair. It screams feminine to me, I suppose we're just conditioned that way?

I have a DD who loves to wear jeans, joggers, sweaters and things with dinosaur prints so I don't make automatic assumptions about clothes. Lots of clothes are gender neutral nowadays, so hair is often the only way you can tell. Children's face and body shape isn't altered by hormones until they reach pubity.

Nobody likes to refer to a child as 'it' and it's awkward to say 'mind that little erm child' rather than 'boy' or 'girl'. Lots of boys wear pink nowadays and girls wear blue/navy/black so hair style is one of the few ways you can tell.

thedisorganisedmum · 15/03/2019 16:14

Boys are not allowed long hair at my kids school, I don't think there are rules for girls apart but shaving is obviously not allowed for either gender.

It works well for everybody! Girls don't seem to like short hair at all, I can't think of any with hair shorter than a bob

Littlechocola · 15/03/2019 16:22

Both mine had long hair and got to a certain age when they wanted short back and sides.
Both now teens with long hair.

Ignore people op, someone will have something to say whatever you do. do what makes you and your son happy.

Oliversmumsarmy · 15/03/2019 16:24

thedisorganisedmum

I think your school are actually being sexist and probably is going against some sort of law.
Does it ban girls from having short hair.

Would they turn down a boy who had long hair.
What if the boy had long hair because of their religion?

What would happen if they had a male teacher who came for a job and had long hair but was well qualified and an excellent teacher and the only alternative was a poorly qualified dreadful teacher but they had a short back and sides.

Would they choose the poorly qualified person because of looks.

Littlechocola · 15/03/2019 16:25

‘ Maybe it's a posho thing?’

Hmm
thedisorganisedmum · 15/03/2019 16:26

well so far, it works well for everybody and all the parents are happy about it. I hope it lasts, I am sure some sad-face DM parent will turn up eventually!

reallyanotherone · 15/03/2019 16:29

She decided to grow it long when someone at school told her she couldn't be a girl unless she had long hair

Girls don't seem to like short hair at all

Funny how girls “naturally” prefer long hair. Nothing to do with the crap they get about being a boy.

I know many women with very short hair. None get mistaken for men for some reason.

gamerwidow · 15/03/2019 16:35

Young children of both sexes look the pretty much the same. The characteristics that are more gendered tend to happen around puberty.
The only way to really tell them apart is by the clothes and hairstyles so people will see long hair and think girl and short hair and think boy.

My 9 yo daughter has short hair and so many people assume she is a boy no matter what she is wearing. She's always been a tomboy so even as a girl she would more likely be in blue with tractors than pink with fairies but when she had long hair it was easier for people to spot she was a girl.

People just have narrow expectations of what boys and girls should look like.

blueskiesovertheforest · 15/03/2019 16:55

Women don't get mistaken for men, nor men for women (except by people who aren't really looking - the same people who think 5ft 1 mum = teen mum without taking in grey hairs, wrinkles, bifocals Wink ...) , because they've been through puberty so are different in every way from skeletal structure to muscle and fat distribution to facial hair or lack of to voice - so they're different face and body shape, different skin, different everything. Socialisation combined with body shape even means they stand differently.

Girl and boy 3 year olds look the same. Interestingly one poster claims her DD was girl shape as a baby because she was fatter and another that her DS was boy shape because he was "a great lump" - Grin

It doesn't matter at all that a 3 year old girl with short hair and a 3 year old boy with long hair might be assumed to be a long haired girl and a short haired boy.

It's not a reason to cut or not cut hair.

Really nobody should care as long as the child themselves knows what their sex is, because it's part of knowing who they are and later knowing what to expect from puberty etc etc. Obviously anyone who knows them will know because of their name and because the child know and for safeguarding and because it is just a general fact about them etc etc. It totally does not matter to strangers in the supermarket/ playground whether a 3 year old is a boy or a girl. The sexes do look the same in clothes when under 8 or 9 unless you mark them using clothing or hair and that's fine.

My youngest son had beautiful long blond hair until he started preschool. I left it long because he was the first of my kids to have anything in the way of hair by 2! My older kids had whispy baby hair for years. His thick, fast growing, blond mane was a revelation and when ds1, then 5, asked him if he wanted his hair like ds1s he said no, [name of ds1] had [name of ds1] hair and [name of ds1] had [name of ds1] hair.

When he started preschool he got a few comments but was much admired and told he was a surfer dude mostly, but then one day of all people the dentist who went into preschool to do a little talk for the children on brushing teeth called ds2 forward to hold an oversized toothbrush prop and called him a beautiful little princess - and would not be corrected when ds2 said that he was a boy.

After that he wanted "boy hair" and we took him to the hairdresser.

It was a sad way to see it go.

People are arses.

But that doesn't change the fact that you can't tell whether 3 year olds are boys or girls if they're dressed unless they're marked as such with clothing or hair, no matter how much some parents believe their baby is has a post pubescent male musculature or has feminine curves Shock

Oliversmumsarmy · 15/03/2019 17:36

thedisorganisedmum

Good job none of the parents live in my area. They would have heart failure.

We are in a particular area which has boys who have long hair because of their religion.

SauvingnonBlanketyBlanc · 15/03/2019 17:36

@Oliversmumsarmy no just boys tbh

thedisorganisedmum · 15/03/2019 17:41

by experience the parents who make a fuss about long hair or shaved head have nothing to do with religion Smile

Starlight456 · 15/03/2019 17:49

I got my ds’s hair cut when it needed brushing .

I am always amazed people talk about putting sparkly clips in boys hair and wonder why people assume they are girls . Most passing comments are not particularly interested in your dc.

ComeOnGordon · 15/03/2019 17:49

In the 80‘s most of us girls had short hair - it was the fashion then plus I wasn’t allowed long hair and I hated hated hated people mistaking me for a boy. It’s really stuck in my head and have had long hair since the age of 16.

I think as long as the child has a choice in what haircut they have and are happy with their choice then they and they’re parents have to put up with the gender assumptions

ComeOnGordon · 15/03/2019 17:50

their

reallyanotherone · 15/03/2019 17:52

called him a beautiful little princess - and would not be corrected when ds2 said that he was a boy

This is what pisses me off. No wonder we are getting so many trans children, they are being told by adults they are the “wrong” sex if they step outside a gender boundary.

Anyway i thought we were all self ID’ing these days so a child tells you he’s a boy, he’s a boy.

You should have recorded a hate crime Grin

Micah · 15/03/2019 17:58

In the 80‘s most of us girls had short hair - it was the fashion then plus I wasn’t allowed long hair and I hated hated hated people mistaking me for a boy

Same. Although I didn’t much care about being mistaken for a boy, I wasn’t so keen on being told by adults I must use the boys toilet. Most apologised when I corrected them though.

I did hate being dragged to the hairdresser and not being allowed a say in my own haircuts. My mum would tell them what to do and I’d sit trying not to cry as it wasn’t what I wanted. The style more than the length.

YeahNah1980 · 15/03/2019 18:11

I’ve never understood the obsession some mothers have with their children’s hair. Won’t cut it because they’re hanging onto those baby curls. It’s weird. It’s just hair.

gamerwidow · 15/03/2019 18:24

People were horrified when I let DD get her hair cut short. It was her choice and she loves it and even if she hated it, so what, it grows back.

blueskiesovertheforest · 15/03/2019 18:38

YeahNah1980 yes it is just hair, but most people have an emotional attachment to it and it's a small part of their identity at any given time. If all your hair fell out overnight tonight for no reason - or someone shaved your head/ used hair removal cream on your head in the night, to take the health worry aspect away - would you shrug and say "meh, it's only hair" and get on with your day without giving it another thought, no pang of regret or self consciousness?

Maybe you can say you would, but that would make you a liar very unusual.

blueskiesovertheforest · 15/03/2019 18:42

reallyanotherone I agree, though thankfully the trans stuff hasn't hit the fan as much where I live yet, especially for pre social media age children. I don't think the hate crime angle would have washed here 5 years ago the way it might in some areas of Canada and some parts of the UK...

blueskiesovertheforest · 15/03/2019 18:55

reallyanotherone that came over a bit wrongly - I realise you were joking! I agree that the ridiculous regression into strict, rigid gender stereotypes atm is the root of the crazy increase in kids thinking they are trans when they aren't!

Echobelly · 15/03/2019 18:57

I'm pretty sure that between about 60s-80s short hair was considered 'smart' and 'practical' for girls, presumably because parents (well, mums) didn't then have to faff around with styling it. I also assume most girls hated having it and grew it as soon as they were allowed! My mum had mine and sister's cut short as she thought it'd be cute. My sister didn't really like it and grew it out, I kept mine short.

I actually hesitated for a while when DD wanted cropped hair - I always said I wouldn't cut a daughter's hair unless she really wanted it and I wanted to be sure she wanted it for herself and wasn't just copying me, as it does put quite a lot on you being the girl who everyone mistakes for a boy. I didn't mind it, I liked being different and I just accepted that being taken for a boy came with it and it wasn't like anyone could insult me by saying I looked like a boy. And it's the same for DD.

She's starting secondary, so I have prepared her. I got 'Are you a boy or a girl?!' a lot, and these days I suspect she'll get 'Are you TRANS? Do you think you're a BOY?!' (she also prefers to wear trousers at school, though she does wear dresses and skirts) I have suggested to her the best answer is just to smile and reply 'I'm a girl' like it's bloody obvious, and just leave it at that. No speeches about freedom to express yourself or anything like that, just make it a non-issue.