Why are people still deluding themselves about Michael Jackson??

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If any grown man I know invited children to sleep in his bed with him there would be absolutely no question about what was going on. I am sure that most people would agree, why are so many people still deluding themselves about this?? Makes me so cross, why do they even play his music on the radio??

This is one of the books. Yes Michael himself inscribed it. He it inscribed it with "Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys' faces, this is the spirit of boyhood, a life I've never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children."

Think many celebrities past and present are/were paedophiles. Elvis met Pricilla when she was 14 and he was 24.

I really can’t believe some of the posts on this thread.

Anyone who doesn’t believe MJ was a peadophile needs to take their deluded head out of their arse.

I will add that Boys Will Be Boys is said to be created by a convicted paedophile.

Triptrap that book I found was written by a paedophile and contained naked images of boys. YOu sound absolutely deluded. Another concerning evidence was found

Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children.

Three books, containing ‘photographs of nude and partially clothed children’. The investigator noted that the books contained images of partially clothed or naked children, as well as images of nude adults with children’s faces morphed on top. This technique may be used to sexualize and lower the inhibitions of a victim, according to the report

I bet if this was Jimmy Saville, or Joe Bloggs down the road you would not be quick to defend him.

Even though these were legal, this really showed the type of stuff that interested him, and quite possibly turned him on. Add that he liked to spend time with young boys on their own, without parents present, is a blooming time bomb waiting to happen. As I keep repeating MJ had vertilligo a skin condition, Jordey Chandler was able to draw accurately the distinct markings on the underside of MJ penis. How else could a young boy know this, unless he has seen MJ naked and either MJ has turned his penis over in the presence of the boy, or the boy has turned over MJ penis himself.

Right TripTrap I bet you woulden't if it was Joe Bloggs down the road.

YANBU - I don’t listen to his music becuase he was a paedo. No respect for the man.

Aeroflot IF Jordy did indeed see Michaels penis (and that is highly debated) having 'turned it over' is not the only possibility for seeing it. That's one of the biggest problem here - people only able to think of things from a set point of view, a sinister one from your side. I've accidentally seen people naked, seen their backsides or walked in on them in the bathroom. Just by being there.

Of course that doesn't mean that that is the only way it could have been viewed. But by the same token it doesn't mean the only way to see is if he wapped it out and was engaging in something.

Have opinions, of course. But to present something as factual when its not proven to be factual...

TripTrap the underside of Michaels penis, so underneath, not the front. He must have seen it a lot for him to memorise those markings. Please stop making excuses and miminising the actions of a paedophile please.

I feel sad for those men who have spoken out, I also feel sad for all those people who have been abused by anyone who will be put off speaking out by all this. This thread is not representative of what people think, posts on FB etc are just filled with comments about these men being liars and money grabbers. Gutted for all victims

Piece everything together and you have a big picture of the type of person MJ was and that corroborated with what Wade and James were saying. Those minority of deluded fans who just don't want to see it. If MJ was alive, do you think that he would admit it, of course not. I read that one of the prosecutors of the MJ trial said that if MJ was alive now, he would be found guilty.

The underside of the penis is the bit that is behind when it is flacid. The side where the frenulum is. So not the bit you see on a flacid penis. When the penis is errect the underside is at the front - the bit you fully see.

Again, this is not about making excuses. Its about facts, sticking to them, looking at both sides and not sensationalising everything.

All of the “open minded” people who are spouting the whole, “he was only a child at heart, he had an abusive childhood and just wanted to recreate his own” bullshit are saying exactly what MJ’s people hoped they would say. This stance was clearly an attempt at damage control and, crazily enough, it worked.

MJ likes to play with and sleep with and touch and put children on his knee? Oh that’s fine because he’s just a big manchild who didn’t have his own childhood. It’s a flimsy explanation but the public fell for it back then and sadly, some still do.

It’s funny how other child stars, who also had abusive parents, didn’t end up building massive playgrounds and sleeping over with little kids, isn’t it? Lindsay Lohan’s dad was fairly awful and controlling and she’s had subsequent substance abuse issues but she didn’t have sleepover parties with little girls as an adult. Neither did Drew Barrymore. Novak Djokovic’s whole childhood was dedicated to tennis, he didn’t spend his millions making a theme park for kids and hanging out with little boys and putting them on his knees.

In what reasonable circumstance would a prepubescent boy accidentally see a fully grown (unrelated, extremely famous) man naked?? Even the fact he had a sleepover in the first place, and spent a lot of time in close company of unrelated young boys is wholly wrong and inappropriate.

It is minimising the evidence, the evidence that was also found in his ranch was awful, sorry it was. I am stating the evidence. That boy must have seen MJ penis a lot to be able to memorise the markings. Why should a young child see a grown man naked! If he was a decent person, he would be changed away from the children, why is he flaunting his penis infront of them.

No child should see that aero nobody has denied that!

I read that one of the prosecutors of the MJ trial said that if MJ was alive now, he would be found guilty.

Do you have anything further on this? I’m just left wondering, if the evidence is so damning, why he wasn’t convicted back then?? Pictures of naked adults with children’s heads morphed onto them? A boy being able to describe his penis discolouration?

Why is it that the world is so convinced now, but wasn’t before? What has changed exactly? I find it hard to keep up with this and all the claims and defence etc it’s a mess.

I am certain that my children have never seen their dad naked, my dh would never like our kids to see him naked and always avoids changing in front of them.

Apparently he was being investigated in the mid 80’s by the FBI

Investigation was dropped as he was to receive an honor from President Regan

How tragic sounds all to familiar though

My children would have seen their dad’s penis. But not while erect. If by any chance (a door accidentally left unlocked, for example) they did, it would have been covered much too fast for them to be able to identify it in a line-up.

s:www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/03/lawyers-in-michael-jackson-sex-abuse-case-react-to-leaving-neverland

Enthusiasm where is the source for that? The FBI state themselves, after being asked/comments made, that their ininvolveme was providing technical and investigative support for a year at a time in relation to both trials