Why are people still deluding themselves about Michael Jackson??

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If any grown man I know invited children to sleep in his bed with him there would be absolutely no question about what was going on. I am sure that most people would agree, why are so many people still deluding themselves about this?? Makes me so cross, why do they even play his music on the radio??

@TakemebacktoClifton Please RTFT, your points have been answered numerous times over.

@TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge Jordy Chandler's father had cancer that was terminal. That is why he committed suicide. If you've ever seen anyone die of cancer, you will understand.

@TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge "stop making so many assumptions"
What a hypocrite you are! You brought up Evan Chandler's suicide with the intention to insinuate he suicided because he felt guilty. You have made so many assumptions about these 2 victims; what their motives are, why they waited, etc etc. See that is why the Jackson apologists are see as unhinged nutjobs with zero credibility. You cast aspersions about the victims, about the maid, about ANYone who is corroborate the 2 victim's stories, even going so far as to drag Evan Chandler through the mud. You are the biggest hypocrite on this thread.

The other bizzare thing is...

How many of your dc or you growing up wanted too sleep in a bed with others?
I loved sleepovers with my school friends but sharing the same bed?? Never ever part of the equation..

MY Dc similarly love sleep overs.. sometimes they do share bed with friend if double but sharing the bed isn't the draw!! All those things he did like eat Pop corn... watching movies.. could have been done anywhere but a bed.

The only person I've ever Been excited to share a bed with is my husband.

Obsessed with bloody beds..

No wonder he was so arrogant...

Small time boy from Hicksville Indiana and he led the whole world on a merry dance... doing exactly what he wanted... all because he's a good singer.

@Birdsgottafly A paedophile is defined as someone who is attracted to pre-pubescent/pre-teen children. While 13 and 14 is wrong, it is different from paedophilia, especially a pre-pubescent child of seven years old!

@Bellasorellaa "if you are a true victim you dont need to lie ever."
This shows how deeply ill-informed you are. Try reading the full thread. It has been answered several times. It is very common for victims to deny abuse. They are scared (ie threats they will go to jail), some are in denial, some don't recognise it as abuse until they are adults. Also some have Stockholm Syndrome. It is extremely common for victims to deny abuse.

Also even Jackson himself admitted he often slept IN the same BED. Not just bed 'room'.

I'm not casting aspirions about anything. And if I have nowhere as much as those who believe Michael abused. I don't know why Evan killed himself, I know when it was and I know the troubles he had with his son, that is all. I also know that the person who posted it linked it with the suicide of another one of the fathers..

As I have said on this thread or another, while I do not believe it, like any of us, I can never be 100% sure because none of us know . I am entitled to believe Wade lied,just as you are entitled to believe he didn't. I have no issue with that. My only issues are some of the hysteria created: 'Macauley must've been molested he just won't say', ' OMG that (allegedly) professional of Michael and his Nephew -a work photo of two stars- is digusting and says it all', ' that mother who says, truthfully, that Michael did nice things for her adult son has so obviously been groomed' etc etc etc. That is what I take issue with. I'd also take issue if they were proven to be lying and Michaels family had been through hell for nothing.

I am still open minded. I don't believe now and I wouldn't want to believe but if something came out that was actual proof, I would believe and it would bloody hurt, but I'd be supporting those who had been hurt.

@Bellasorellaa He was not investigated by the FBI. He was investigated by police.
It was found that he had porn on his computers, naked boy books, and photos of naked boys.

Try doing some research.

@Bellasorellaa Are you for real?!??

It is very rare that there is any evidence on tape of threats. People don't tend to have witnesses around when they do that. Do you think victims of child abuse, of abuse by priests, women raped all just happen to have a handy camcorder at hand? You cannot be this stupid.

@Bellasorellaa "the new docs i think is bs because the man been dead for ten years"
You really are this stupid! So because someone is dead, that means a documentary is therefore bs? You are either a massive fan or you have less cognitive reasoning than a goldfish!

It sounds as though some people are deluded about MJ, that is the type of hold he has on people. What is evident is that he has a sexual interest in young boys that goes beyond the innocent.

@Momo18 "so much so a court threw the claims out."
The court dismissed the claims because of Statute of Limitations reasons only. Not one claim has been dismissed on the basis of evidence or lies. Only on technicality.

Luna The FBIS state themselves that they provided technical and investigative support to the police. It wasn't for ten year, but they did work on the investigation. Clearly.

With regards to 'naked boy books' are you meaning the art books, because that's what they were and they also featured erotic adult images. Could be dodgy,could be perfectly innocent and its known MJ had an interest in art (and had great drawing skill). Also, with regards to the porn, yes he had porn. It was all adult heterosexual porn though.

The material found at his ranch was absolutely sickening and deeply concerning. It really showed that he was obsessed by young boys in the sexual nature, the amount of material that they found. What Wade and James accounts corroberate with that. It is just too much to ignore.

Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children.

Three books, containing ‘photographs of nude and partially clothed children’. The investigator noted that the books contained images of partially clothed or naked children, as well as images of nude adults with children’s faces morphed on top. This technique may be used to sexualize and lower the inhibitions of a victim, according to the report

8Evidence Item #303. Three books containing nude photographs, including those of teenagers and pre-teenagers*

Absolutely sickening what evidence was found at his home.

Book: ‘Boys Will be Boys,’ contains full frontal nudity of boys under the age of 14; personally inscribed by Michael Jackson.

Book: ‘The Boy, a Photographic Essay,’ containing images of boys, some nude.

Evidence Item #365: Pornographic books, including images of naked children.

‘The Christy Report’, nude images from the 1940s, some described as sadomasochistic.

‘Robert Maxwell Photographs,’ various images, including those of children.

The list goes on, it is sickening. He had a sexual attraction to boys and saw them in a sexual way. I bet now he would not get away with it, if her were alive.

The man was a fecking paedophile and pervert. I totally believe Wade and James, Jordan Chandler was able to draw and describe the distinct marks on MJ penis which matched the pictures police took of him. I wonder why he was paid off hmmm. Evidence very strong.

Christ i just watched this - those poor, poor men. Fucking hell.

@Momo18"so much so a court threw the claims out."
The court dismissed the claims because of Statute of Limitations reasons only. Not one claim has been dismissed on the basis of evidence or lies. Only on technicality

I thought the statute of limitations applied to them going to court for purgery? Due to testifying he never abused them and later accusing him, it resulted in them being accused of purgery but as five years had past they couldn't be prosecuted?

As for that list of evidence are you sure the source is credible? Same for the markings on MJ's penis as there is a documentary produced by David Guest which goes into detail about the first and second allegations, even some court footage and the verdict too. It was concluded they found nothing but adult pornography?

It's all very confusing but I doubt the courts, legal system and jury would overlook any evidence regardless of what money he had. The district attorney made it his mission to convict MJ after the second allegation, yet nothing turned up on court as credible. The Mum of the second child even accused MJ of threatening to put her in a hot air balloon and float her off to her demise, I mean come on... He could have hired anybody to kill her, the hot air balloon story didn't go down well with the jury.

I'm not saying he never abused kids, how can I? But I am saying there are documentaries produced about MJs life after the first two allegations were long over and after his death and if you watch them they seriously do make you doubt how genuine the allegations are.

Mono it was police evidence that was found.

Mono, the first claim against the estate was deemed to have been brought too late. The second claim was brought against 2 MJ companies as it was ruled those companies couldn't be liable. Nothing to do with the merits of accusations in either instance.

@Momo18 "It's all very confusing but I doubt the courts, legal system and jury would overlook any evidence regardless of what money he had."

Two words - OJ SIMPSON

Oh my days. I just looked at the MJ Facts website about the two books Michael kept locked in his bedroom safe. It contains some of the 'milder' images (they note that others would likely be illegal in many countries).

Even then, I feel like I ought to clear my browser history.

What a disgusting creep he was.

Fascinating and disturbing

www.mjfacts.com/was-child-pornography-found-in-michael-jacksons-home/

I don't know what aspersions trip cast about the maid, but if she was referring to Adrian McManus then that person deserves having aspersions cast - see my earlier post at 14.58.