To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

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Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

There is already a massive thread on this subject www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3507736-British-IS-girl-wants-to-return-to-Britain

I dont think people have overlooked it at all

I don't want her back in the country. She's openly said she doesn't regret going there in the first place. It's unfortunate for the poor innocent baby, and any future ones she has.

She claims she's lost two children. She chose to go there, get married, support ISIS, and get pregnant. Now she's in a refugee camp she wants help. She made this bed for herself and this baby.

She has said she doesn't regret going over there and marrying an ISIS fighter so no, I don't want her back in this country.

She is pregnant and stuck in Syria as a direct consequence of her choices.

So changes nothing.

Ahh, thanks @Patchworksack - I didn't think to check in chat. What an idiot. I'll ask MNHQ to pull this.

She also poses a HUGE danger to the 1public. It’s so much more complicated than ‘she’s pregnant’ or ‘she was groomed’.

Sorry for random ‘1’

Honestly, I really don't care what happens to her or any of her offspring. She may have been 15 and naive, we all were at one point but we didn't all run off to another country to join a gang of murderous excuses for human beings. She is not remorseful. She wants care for her child in a better country.
No doubt she will be allowed back to the UK, but if she is that child should be removed from her.

I hate to say it but I agree. She hasn't expressed any regrets at all. If there was a way for her to have the baby and the baby be bought back to the UK to be adopted then that would be the best option IMHO. If she had regrets I think I would feel different but she sounds incredibly callous and I would not allow her back if it were my decision.

She should be allowed back on the understanding that her baby will be removed from her, and she will likely be arrested and, at best, required to undergo deradicalisation.

She was herself a child who was groomed, let’s not forget. And it’s a lot to expect her to deradicalise herself. If she returns to the U.K. there is hope for her baby, and a chance that she might truly understand and repent of what she has done. And if she won’t do that, she should be in prison.

That said, the difficulties in getting her out of Syria and into the U.K. are enormous, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it couldn’t actually be done safely.

I don't care whether she pregnant or not. She did not want to live in this country and believed and still believe in Isis, so why would any one want a terrorist back in this country.

She doesn't want to live in this country she just wants to use the NHS have her baby then she will just go back 'home'.

It is safer for us to have her here under supervision. Presumably her internet use etc would be closely monitored.

No she shouldn’t be allowed back, she cares not a jot about all the babies that Isis has killed. Time to get tough.

I would happily welcome her newborn baby, but not her. She’s made her bed, now she needs to accept the consequences of her actions. 15 is old enough to know right from wrong and now she is older she is still a support of IIS so nothing has changed.

If she’s a British citizen, I don’t see how we can (or should) stop her coming home.

Why should the Syrians have to put up with our terrorists? They’ve got quite enough of their own to be dealing with.

She should be charged under the terrorism act, hopefully imprisoned, and the baby given to half-decent people.

200 citizens who joined the Caliphate have returned to the UK. 40 have been prosecuted.

Why don't you all just start a thread about the benefits of bringing back hanging.

Then you can all have conversations about whether it's suitable or not to bring your children aged 15 to a public hanging and if it will affect them.

btw sarcasm alert!

She may have been naive then - she isn’t now. She says she was unfazed by seeing the severed head of an fighter from the other side. She has no,problems with the beheadings of journalists. She still supports IS.

I think she has made her bed and she should lie in it. And I know that sounds harsh, but if she comes back to the UK, she will, at the very least, have to be closely monitored, and that will take up valuable resources.

Again - this will sound harsh - but any ‘naive’ teenagers in the UK who are currently considering joining IS need to be shown, unequivocally, that this IS a permanent choice. They cannot be given the impression that they can join a terrorist organisation for a jihadi vacation, do/support the doing of unspeakable things, and then come home to pick up where they left off.

Pfft. Don't be so naive.

Those girls had social media accounts, and did lots of posting while they were there. And - just like the men who, it turns out, were all ambulance drivers or medics or drivers or anything but fighters - those girls certainly weren't among the western women who patrolled with sticks, beating local women whose behaviour wasn't sufficiently modest Even though it was claimed that's what they were doing, at the time.

Couldn't give a flying fuck what happens to her. In the period just before those girls went it had been all over the news about the Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage, videos of beheadings etc.. They knew what was happening, and found it attractive rather than repulsive. She's even said the sight of a head in a dustbin didn't "faze her".

she made her bed now lay in it

And ??