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To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

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StepAwayFromGoogle · 14/02/2019 13:39

Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

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Dungeondragon15 · 22/02/2019 20:35

Sorry just seen the news and I am behind the times!

MadCatEnthusiast · 22/02/2019 20:51

No worries, the Kurdish want to get all the European/Western isis fighters out of there. I just want to see the same stance from the UK or Canada even

Justanotherlurker · 22/02/2019 23:20

No worries, the Kurdish want to get all the European/Western isis fighters out of there. I just want to see the same stance from the UK or Canada even

Its quite amusing you missing the IDPOL stack of why this is news and trying to slant this along the lines of sexism, you should be championing bringing those males home to face justice. That justice is flaky as we cannot confirm why they went over therefore etc, etc.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/02/2019 23:29

And now jihadi Jack is wanting home because he misses his mamma and dr who.

Wasn’t he denouncing his parents as infadels a year ago and was happy with his new wifey and kids in Syria? Also justifying Manchester. Do they never cotton on that the bloodshed in Syria was fuelled by these tits?

Justanotherlurker · 22/02/2019 23:43

Stop airing this on the news, keep both the mother and young warlord (what a choice for a name) out of the news and out of the UK.

It's a prefect ark of polarised political point scoring media, its for the Shamima supporters to now come out with the same type of argument as to why we should accept him.

Justanotherlurker · 22/02/2019 23:44

previous comment was to this:

And now jihadi Jack is wanting home because he misses his mamma and dr who.

MadCatEnthusiast · 23/02/2019 00:34

I never said that he shouldn't come back. I just want to see the same media scrutiny that SB had. He's answered the "did you think ___ attack was right?" the same way SB did. He thought it was a good thing. But he's a homesick person yet she can't consider the UK her home? I'm just asking for the same energy to be shown. He's half Canadian and half British. Sajid could use the same powers to revoke his citizenship before Canada do instead if he really wanted to and wasn't grandstanding before.

He's British, our problem. Canada can say no, we won't let him in and I believe they have. He was radicalised but he was 19 when he left. But let's be honest, he is getting an advantage from the media because they've not plastered him/his parents on the media like his father urging Canada to repatriate him and his mum sending money to him etc. Media is whispering about them. It's only now he's getting really big coverage.

BertrandRussell · 23/02/2019 08:13

Incidentally, @BejamNostalgia, you were going to post a c&p of an example from the reams and reams of advocacy for Jihadis I have posted. I’d hate for this thread to fill up before you got round to it.

Dungeondragon15 · 23/02/2019 08:34

I think the difference with jihadi Jack is that he is in prison in Syria ar the moment and if he does get back to the UK they will be able to prosecute him. Also they perhaps don't want to annoy the Canadians by revoking his citizenship whereas they don't seem to mind annoying Bangladesh.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/02/2019 09:34

And he was all over the news before - especially when his parents were charged with sending him funds when they knew where he was (case pending).

Alsohuman · 23/02/2019 10:34

He’s fucked his parents’ defence up now. Anyone ready to defend him by saying he was groomed? Or is it different for him?

Gin0clock · 23/02/2019 11:02

The son of Britain's Abu Hamza is reportedly trying to appeal the decision to revoke his British passport amid the furore of the case of Isil bride Shamima Begum.

Sufyan Mustafa, 23, was stripped of his UK passport in 2017 after travelling to Syria to fight with jihadists

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/22/abu-hamzas-son-trying-appeal-decision-revoke-british-passport/

I thought I’d read somewhere that Jihadi Jack as he’s known, had lost his passport too, he’s in prison in Syria. Apparently he’s been in touch with the powers that be in both Canada & Britain, but for some strange reason hasn’t had a reply

BejamNostalgia · 23/02/2019 11:45

Bertrand, why do I need to when there are enough examples on this thread?

Although if you want a specific example, how about this thread where you repeatedly minimise ISIS and imply Tories are worse than ISIS?

That was a memorable one for many reasons.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2961727-Josie-Long-we-are-more-at-risk-from-right-wing-extremists-than-Islamic-extremists?pg=1&order=

Alsohuman · 23/02/2019 11:46

Nobody claiming Jack was groomed, then?

SmileEachDay · 23/02/2019 11:54

Nobody claiming Jack was groomed, then?

I’d say it’s patently obvious that the son of Abu Hamza has been groomed. He should face justice here.

I don’t know very much about “jihadi Jack” - what’s his background? However he should also face justice here.

What’s your point?

MadCatEnthusiast · 23/02/2019 11:57

He’s fucked his parents’ defence up now. Anyone ready to defend him by saying he was groomed? Or is it different for him?

His parents have previously said he went to 'help' the Syrians and never had extremist views to join ISIS. You're right, he and his own social media account(s?) ruined his parents' defence.

He didn't go online and watch all them propaganda videos. He joined a dodgy mosque that clearly had extremists in it and got radicalised. People were defending SB because she was a vulnerable child when she left. He was nearly 20.

Also they perhaps don't want to annoy the Canadians by revoking his citizenship whereas they don't seem to mind annoying Bangladesh

I suspect the same because Canada were willing to repatriate him, for a short time, until they didn't. They don't want him and for the UK to revoke his citizenship - it's like 'haha, you have to keep your jihadist!'.

Jihadi Jack makes him seem like a character, I don't like it. His full name suffices.

MadCatEnthusiast · 23/02/2019 12:04

The son of Britain's Abu Hamza is reportedly trying to appeal the decision to revoke his British passport amid the furore of the case of Isil bride Shamima Begum.

He claims that he was with rebel fighters and didn't join ISIL/ISIS but the ties with his father makes it likely he did go to Syria for Jihad and not to fight alongside anti-Assad and anti-ISIS fighters. But for him to have still had his passport, not burnt it or anything, and travelled safely through the deserts into Turkey? He hasn't even been captured by the opposition forces like the SDF and the YPG.

If he is lying, he still has been radicalised in the UK. Therefore, UK's problem.

Alsohuman · 23/02/2019 12:06

My point is that apparently only girls are groomed and we should make special allowances for them. Jack Letts is a very immature young man who rejoiced in the Paris bombings when he was 17, took himself off to Syria to be a “warrior” and now wishes to return because he misses his mum, pasties (which he seems to think are Scottish) and Dr Who.

Massive double standards are being applied here. Having read interviews with both Begum and Letts, I know which chills my heart most.

BertrandRussell · 23/02/2019 12:09

Ah, yes. That thread where I said “Well, I'm not particularly frightened of terrorists. They are evil bastards but know I would have to be incredibly unlucky to fall victim to one. I am frightened of what right wing extremists are trying to do to my country. I am frightened of life without an NHS. For example.”

Real advocacy for Jihadis there!

SmileEachDay · 23/02/2019 12:09

My point is that apparently only girls are groomed

Are they? Who has said this?

More boys are groomed than girls in terms of extremism if I remember my Prevent training properly).

Many, many more girls are victims of CSE grooming.

Alsohuman · 23/02/2019 12:16

So where’s the outrage over and sympathy for Jack Letts? Nowhere, that’s where. Because he’s male? Because he’s white? Because he’s middle class? Fuck only knows why. Like I said, massive double standards.

bigsister951 · 23/02/2019 12:25

Other than their parents, does Anyone really care?

MadCatEnthusiast · 23/02/2019 12:31

Why wasn't his citizenship revoked when his whereabouts were known like Abu Hamza's son . It's been years they've known he's been imprisoned.

Why aren't his parents in prison now? Oh, I can answer that, they had a SHL who managed to get their case to the Supreme Court.

Alsohuman · 23/02/2019 12:43

I guess the answer is because he’s imprisoned and has no passport. His return to the UK isn’t imminent or likely.

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