To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

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Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

Just had a quick look at the research briefings posted by time4chocolate (on page 36 of this thread) - which refer to the Immigration Act 2014:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/22/section/66/enacted

Deprivation if conduct seriously prejudicial to vital interests of the UK

(1) In section 40 of the British Nationality Act 1981 (deprivation of citizenship), after subsection (4) insert—

“(4A) But that does not prevent the Secretary of State from making an order under subsection (2) to deprive a person of a citizenship status if—

(a) the citizenship status results from the person’s naturalisation

(b)the Secretary of State is satisfied that the deprivation is conducive to the public good because the person, while having that citizenship status, has conducted him or herself in a manner which is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom, any of the Islands, or any British overseas territory, and

(c) the Secretary of State has reasonable grounds for believing that the person is able, under the law of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom, to become a national of such a country or territory

(2)In deciding whether to make an order under subsection (2) of section 40 of the British Nationality Act 1981 in a case which falls within subsection (4A) of that Act ,the Secretary of State may take account of the manner in which a person conducted him or herself before this section came into force.

I think the problem is that there are two Begum women involved with this.

Sharmeena Begum went to join ISIS first. It was her mother who died from cancer, she lived with her grandmother. She married a Bosnian (so the newspapers say) who was killed.

She was a friend of Shamima Begum who's turned up in Syria. She married a Dutchman. He's still alive and may end up in Holland to serve his sentence.

Two different women, both friends with names that sound the same (though spelled differently). Makes you wonder whose story is whose eh?

Bertrand, I was talking about corybn actually and some other posters on here who arerelentless with questions, but who ignore answers when they are too raw, real And emotional, who go after people in pain when suffering various family issue's and who just seem ... I don't know... entrenched... blinkered.... unable to understand a whole range of issues and yet constantly post...on those issues... rigid... unable to think laterally as though they have been raised in a straight jacket of ideology... I wasn't talking about you per se but...if you feel that shoe fits...

I'm starting to change my mind about this, only from the point of view that all the hatred is handily aimed at a woman, as usual, rather than at any of the hundreds of men who also went. Why is she being made the hate figure? I don't care about her, don't care about the other women or what happened to them, but why no interviews with the men who did the actual killing? Of course they all claim they were ambulance drivers and medics, just like she claims she was a housewife...

“Why is she being made the hate figure?”

Because a bad woman is not simply bad- she is going against all the stereotypes and conventional views of woman as nurturing and compassionate.

Could be because she was playing on the fact she was a “pregnant” woman juells and wanted preferential treatment because of that?

Because a bad woman is not simply bad- she is going against all the stereotypes and conventional views of woman as nurturing and compassionate.

Oh yeah, because everybody loved Jihadi John, you heard nothing except what a great guy he was. And the two British ‘beatle’ jihadis imprisoned in Turkey? Yeah, everyone loves them so much there’s a crowdfunder to bring them back and a ticker tape parade planned for their return.

It’s not sexism, it’s not racism. It’s a perfectly normal human reaction to the members of a group who have committed horrendous crimes against humanity.

But you’re just determined to portray disgust at those actions as an unreasonable response and is just the result of some sort of deficiency in the disgusted rather than the fault of their wicked crimes.

You think sexism is a far more likely explanation of why she repulses people rather than complicity in war crimes.

Tell me again how you’re not an apologist for terror?

You think sexism is a far more likely explanation of why she repulses people rather than complicity in war crimes

There are around 400 male returnees, less than 10% are facing any charges. How many of their names do you know?

“You think sexism is a far more likely explanation of why she repulses people rather than complicity in war crimes.”
No. Sexism is a likely explanation of why this particular person is all over the headlines and the last 300 weren’t.

I have no idea what their names are and this terrorist has unfortunately a very similar name too the other girl from the same school who also ran away.

A few things specifically piqued my interest in this case.
Firstly I loosely followed the Dodgy mayor case in tower Hamlets...

Secondly I was shocked when safe, housed and educted and being educated girls ran from the Safe haven of the UK to a medieval war zone.

I was horrified and then a poor immigrant dad was on the news...poor English...looking so sorrowful... I followed his pleas too the house of commons select committee over the letter.... I thought this poor Man , overwhelmed in this grand room... naughty school...

I was sucked right in. then the photos were shown of a man's Face full of hate, anger, vehemence... burning western flags... then it emerged he took this daughter... to these rallies...of course at home... extremist talk Etc etc.so I thought that was this girl because of the confusion.

That's why I know...or thought I knew her name.

Okay Bertrand whats the name of the other well known Isis terrorist from the UK?

““Okay Bertrand whats the name of the other well known Isis terrorist from the UK?“
Do you mean Jihadi John? I don’t know what his proper name is. I also don’t know the names of any of the other 300 returnees currently in this country. Because none of them made the news.

No, none of them made the news but oh so conveniently one of the Bethnal Green girls turns up by accident in a refugee camp and just happens to catch the eye of a Times reporter. Oh, and astonishingly she’s about to give birth too, having been tragically bereaved of her first too children. Does nobody else think this is all a bit Thomas Hardyesque in its amazing series of coincidences? There’s something distinctly off here.

Two children damn it, not too!

Incidentally,@BejamNostalgia, you were going to post a c&p of an example from the reams and reams of advocacy for Jihadis I have posted. I’d hate for this thread to fill up before you got round to it.

Bertram I imagine there are SO many reams they’ll need a thread all to themselves.

The news on the front is that the last civilian evacuation is taking place over this weekend from the last Daesh stronghold. The Kurds will see this as their priority, and when this is done, they may look for solutions at the refuge camps.

The Kurds do not have resources to maintain these camps, and unsurprisingly nobody is responding to their requests to extract these people. Every country will do everything to repel their return. Incarceration just relocates the war to our prisons and increases radicalisation. Rehab is uncertain and the drawn out process makes any intelligence worthless. Diverting resources from the NHS and other public services (and the damage to social integration within, and to our reputation as the world's softest door mat for people who exploit our liberal freedoms with no sense of responsibility and gratitude) on violent extremists is a heavy cost with no value.

Rebuilding their lives will probably rate higher to the Kurds than dealing directly with Daesh atrocities. Sending unrepatriated Daesh to Iraq may be the probable solution. This may happen before SB's appeal period ends. Small wonder her aspiring solicitor is keen to stem her downward slide from the headlines. Helped by disingenuous posturing by our politicians needing a diversion from Brexit and hemorrhaging MPs.

Some one else has made the news. The son of a very well known deported hate preacher.

I'm sure he will get the same reaction

Same reaction in what way mother?

Same reaction in what way mother

Probably that we shouldn't be exporting our problems, they are groomed which is the same as the rotherham/oxford/telford etc group, its a tory conspiracy to bury some brexit news, or anyone who has an opinion that isn't bring her home and hope we can pin something illegal on her is just "muh daily mail reader!"

Jeez lurker have a day off.

smile that the reaction to SB was based on sexism. I don't believe it is.

Tory conspiracy! Is that what the Morning Star’s saying?

Oh and another male British-Canadian isis fighter wants to come back too. Will the UK strip of his citizenship because he already has Canadian citizenship?

Oh and another male British-Canadian isis fighter wants to come back too. Will the UK strip of his citizenship because he already has Canadian citizenship?

He is in prison so not in a position to try to get back isn't he. I think his father is try to get Canada to help him as the UK certainly isn't.

Quite possibly, why not?