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To think everyone saying Shamima Begum should rot in Syria have completely overlooked the fact that she is pregnant

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StepAwayFromGoogle · 14/02/2019 13:39

Just that really. She did a terrible thing going to Syria to marry an ISIS fighter. But she was only 15 and probably incredibly naive. She has already lost two children, one as a complication of malnutrition. And the child she is pregnant with has done nothing wrong. Surely we shouldn't leave him or her there to die too?

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DuffBeer · 14/02/2019 16:51

No sympathy here. I don't give a fuck what happens to her. Her family are a bloody disgrace as well, waxing lyrical about her on the news last night.

Klopptimist · 14/02/2019 16:58

we obviously don’t care about dead babies

Fuck off with your emotive crap. Babies are no more, or less, important than any other person. I care about the decent Muslims all over the world who are persecuted due to the actions of ISIS. I care about the families of those who have died in terrorist attacks carried out by ISIS attacks. I care about the people being forced to flee their homes because of ISIS. And you think we should have sympathy for a member of this organisation because ickle wickle babies?

Juells · 14/02/2019 17:00

It’s unbelievable posters don’t recognise grooming all these years down the line! Men promised her a better life!

It's disgusting to compare her to girls who were groomed to have sex. Nobody could have missed what was happening in Syria, the torture, the Yazidi girls being forced into sex slavery. She thought she'd be with the oppressors, the ones who were doing the bullying and killing, and she still thinks all that was acceptable.

Juells · 14/02/2019 17:11

So what about boys that went to Syria, were they groomed too, should they be 'brought home'?

The Western women who went to Syria formed punishment squads that patrolled the streets, making sure that the locals conformed to what ISiS considered proper behaviour. Those girls weren't victims, they were the oppressors.

allthingsred · 14/02/2019 17:23

She was not groomed she is not a victim
She & her mates could not miss the horrors that group were inflicting on the world.
Beheading, burning people alive, chucking kids off buildings for being gay or listening to music.
Killing kids at concerts or people sunbathing on a beach
& she chose to go. It's a joke that they have said if she gets to Turkey they will help her.
They can help her straight back to Isis since its so good, I'm sure they will welcome her back too.

pepperpot99 · 14/02/2019 17:23

Yes, agreed. She was a willing participant in an organisation that promotes child rape and sex slavery. That makes her not only complicit, but an advocate of those atrocities. The hypocrisy of now deciding that her baby needs a 'quiet safe life', while her IS 'brothers' have been gang-raping and murdering women and girls and likely babies throughout their lovely 'caliphate' is staggering.

VenusOfWillendorf · 14/02/2019 17:25

She's nine months pregnant, no airline would fly her at this stage, it's not safe for her or the baby.
If she agreed and her parents were willing to take the baby when it's born, I do think the child would be better off in the UK. Or possibly taken into care. But I don't think there's any place for her or her ideology in the UK, and the money should be spent on ensuring she and those who think like her are kept out of the UK. She is a supporter of terrorism.

Grumpelstilskin · 14/02/2019 17:30

Surely she is guilty of treason and thus has very little moral right to ask to return to a country that she has been at war against?

HamiltonCork · 14/02/2019 17:34

She has every right to come home as she has British citizenship, however, she is in a refugee camp with absolutely no access to British consular assistance. Clearly, it would be unacceptable to ask someone to risk their own safety to help and it is unlikely that the British government will send in the SAS (or similar) to rescue her.
Her only option is to make it (on her own) to Turkey but she is 9 months pregnant so probably won’t happen. If, by some miracle, she does make it to Turkey there isn’t a airline in the world that will let her board.

She isn’t repentant so I’m struggling to muster any sympathy for her plight.

Theunreasonableone · 14/02/2019 17:34

I don’t give a shiny shit about her or her offspring. She can rot in Syria, where she belongs.

niccyb · 14/02/2019 17:35

I thought she had done an interview and said she doesn’t regret her choices so no people are not overlooking the fact she is pregnant.
She most likely wants to come back for support of her family and for the benefit she will get and be entitled to which is more than what she would get where she is now.

I don’t think she should be allowed back in at all as if it is allowed for her then it would mean others would be allowed the same

joystir59 · 14/02/2019 17:43

I think if her family in the uk would be prepared to adopt her baby and bring it up here that would be a good thing. The mother is still indoctrinated and should not be allowed back in the country, no. She was fifteen and niave went she went but she is an adult now and still has no respect for the UK

DSHathawayGivesMeFannyGallops · 14/02/2019 17:45

She ought not be allowed back, unless it's for prison. And even then, there are some far nastier ones abroad that she deserves to end up. As for her baby, there are plenty of children born into the same circs, to people FLEEING ISIS not swelling their ranks. What the fuck makes her or her child special. I believe she should be declared stateless, or at very least denied entry as a threat to security.

She wouldn't last 5 mins anyway, there are some very nasty, angry people out there and I don't think she deserves a safe house. She can reap what she's sown after so vocally supporting a terrorist regime.

LagunaBubbles · 14/02/2019 17:46

I havent overlooked it all. Stop making stupid e causes for her like she was naive. She left this country to join a terrorist organisation that wants to kill its citizens, like lots of other males and females. She doesn't get a free pass back because she's female and pregnant.

Justanotherlurker · 14/02/2019 17:47

Men promised her a better life!

She was groomed by Women

londonrach · 14/02/2019 17:47

Seriously op...would you want this woman to be near your children. She has no regrets about what she did. Shes vvvvv dangerous and shouldnt be allowed back into uk as shes a traitor.

PurpleFlower1983 · 14/02/2019 17:52

This woman has no remorse whatsoever.

CoolJule43 · 14/02/2019 17:54

The young woman has expressed no remorse whatsoever. She very dispassionately answered that she hadn't seen any beheadings but had seen discarded heads.

I do not want such people in this country. People with such low regard for life do not deserve to come back to this country and be looked after in terms of healthcare and housing.

She is 9 months pregnant and beyond the stage pregnant mothers are usually allowed to fly. So she should stay in Syria and give birth there.

CameliaCamelia · 14/02/2019 17:59

She's only pregnant!! Doesn't make her some sort of queen or anything.....it's just regular,run of the mill pregnancy!

Monestasi · 14/02/2019 17:59

The world is an incredibly cruel place, and this young woman chose to participate in some of the worst behaviours of humanity. She didn't just turn her back on a country that kept her safe, but she actively chose to turn against it. We don't even know the worst of what she has condoned and possibly celebrated.

I resent being called barbaric or just as bad for having the opinion that she shouldn't be allowed back to the UK. I have a personal connection with Syria and know of the atrocities so so many innocents have suffered.. and still suffer for simply wanting to escape the hell hole their country became. My sympathy and belief in our duty to help them is unwavering. But for this young woman, I cannot muster up a single drop of anything other than I just do not care what happens to her.

Woman attacking other women on these threads over her has stunned me a little bit. This is a dangerous woman with an extremely dangerous mindset and ideology. Let us not lose sight of that, nor just how easily we can be attacked yet again by extremists - and she is one!!!

NotAFuckingYummyMummy · 14/02/2019 18:00

She's pregnant. And?

If she was a male, she would be arrested and detained before she could blink, on arriving back in this country.
Just because she's pregnant, it does not give her a get out of jail free card!

The only reason she is 'fleeing' is because ISIS are close to being defeated in Syria.
Ironic huh?

ReflectentMonatomism · 14/02/2019 18:02

If she agreed and her parents were willing to take the baby when it's born, I do think the child would be better off in the UK.

Yes, because her parents did such a bang-up job with her, they're the ideal people to continue to either look the other way while children were groomed (the charitable view) or be active enthusiasts for their children joining extremist organisations that they are supports of (the rather less charitable view, but true in the case of one of the other girls).

Moondancer73 · 14/02/2019 18:03

There is no way on earth she should be allowed back. Possibly her baby should be brought back to live here with relatives but she shouldn't ever be allowed to come back here - she's still a danger to this country, shows no remorse and will inevitably end up claiming benefits and could well raise a radical child. Why would anyone risk that? Let her rot.

Fabaunt · 14/02/2019 18:04

Don’t want her back here, she made her choice. If she does come back the child needs to be removed from her custody so as we don’t have another terrorist on our hands in 15 years time

CoolJule43 · 14/02/2019 18:06

When asked how she felt about seeing a head in the bin she casually answered " I didn't feel fazed at all".

Why does she think we should care about providing her with our healthcare system?

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