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AIBU to expect DH to shoulder some childcare responsibilities?

243 replies

Aeonium · 06/02/2019 23:29

DH is quite senior in his industry. I worked in the public sector before DC so while I worked equally long hours I only earned a third of his salary. I want to return to work but it’s impossible for both of us to work those hours. Someone has to take DC to preschool and hospital appts and be home to cook tea ect.

The suggestion of equal parenting went down like a lead balloon. He leaves too early and gets back too late to do school runs. There’s no way he can take time off if DC has the voms or whatever. His regular overnight stays at the London office are non negotiable. There’s no way he’ll consider a less senior position that gives him more family time because he’s worked hard to get where he is and he won’t throw it away. He expects me to do everything and if that means I can’t get a job it’s tough. He suggested I should start “a little business” during school hours so I can work flexibly and fit around DC.

I can’t see a business thriving if I can’t dedicate long hours. The business might not turn a profit for a long time so wouldn’t cover the cost of wraparound care. I can’t go back to my previous job because the workload is too heavy to be compatible with sole childcare, I’d need support from DH that isn’t forthcoming. Plus I don’t want to be a mum with a hobby business for pocket money! I’m painfully aware that not returning to work makes me vulnerable in the long term if our marriage ends. I can see the logic of the higher earner being dedicated to his job but it leaves me in the shit.

AIBU to think it’s unacceptable for him to just say nope I’m not available for any childcare and leave me to pick up the slack? I don’t know what the solution is here. If he won’t do the necessary for DC that leaves me on the hook whether I want to be or not.

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cestlavielife · 06/02/2019 23:33

Get a nanny or use a childminder who picks up and gives tea.
Both share childcare costs.
If he cannot be there he can pay for childcare.

RLSP0304 · 06/02/2019 23:35

I don't think you're being unreasonable. There must be a compromise for you both. Surely he can explore working from home or working reduced hours one day a week etc.

If not, and if you're still in public sector, can you get some flexibility like term time hours, or part time?

Otherwise is an au pair/ childminder a possibility?

FrederickCreeding · 06/02/2019 23:35

Yanbu

This needs to be a joint decision between the two of you. Doesn't seem very fair that he gets to unilaterally decide what he wants and you have to work around him...

Mmmhmmm · 06/02/2019 23:42

Can you afford an au pair or nanny and cleaner? If you were both working?

Gotthetshirt23 · 06/02/2019 23:42

What were your plans before deciding to have DC and give up job ?

sollyfromsurrey · 06/02/2019 23:46

And this is why it should never be questioned why women get half in a divorce settlement.

Aeonium · 06/02/2019 23:47

Yeah I probably could find a job that was part time. But we all know that people who do part time and have flexibility only have a basic casual job not a career, they won’t get promoted because they can’t put in the graft. We’re talking about well over a decade of me making no progress because I’m always running out to see to DC.

I’m not highly paid enough for a nanny or au pair to be an option, it would cost more than staying home myself.

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MrsTerryPratcett · 06/02/2019 23:49

I’m not highly paid enough for a nanny or au pair to be an option, it would cost more than staying home myself.

Is he? Because the childcare is as much for him as you.

SleepingStandingUp · 06/02/2019 23:50

What was the discussion around childcare before you had DS? I agree it's crap.

PennyMordauntsLadyBrain · 06/02/2019 23:51

Fair play to you OP for thinking about this now rather than 5-10 years down the line when you realise one day that you’ve taken the hit on your career progression and independence in order to facilitate your husband’s.

I think I’d have found it extremely difficult not to completely lose the run of myself when he suggested “starting a little business”. Angry

Can you price up nannies/childminders/crèche and let him know that you’ll be splitting whatever costs according to your disparate incomes?

Drogosnextwife · 06/02/2019 23:53

Why can't your dp share the cost of childcare?

arethereanyleftatall · 06/02/2019 23:53

If the reason you want a job isn't because of the finances, then the finances don't matter, your husband can pay for childcare.

Purpleartichoke · 06/02/2019 23:55

If you want to work, you should work. It doesn’t have to be a job that is only done during school hours.

childcare expenses are joint. It doesn’t matter if they are equivalent to your entire earnings because they are either budgeted out of household earnings or paid by percentage of income. If he is the bigger earner, he should be paying for the bulk of childcare. If he can’t help cover sick days he needs to cover an even bigger percentage of the cost.

arethereanyleftatall · 06/02/2019 23:56

I think when people say their salary won't cover childcare, the point that they're making is not which particular pot the childcare costs will come out of, but that it's not financial benefit to the family as a whole for them to work.

Aeonium · 06/02/2019 23:57

When I got pregnant he was less senior and worked less hours, it was reasonable to expect shared childcare. Then his boss left and he got promoted to head of department, he won some award and was in demand so they expanded his department, and suddenly he’s important and goes away overnight and is out 7-7 every day. He totally deserves his position but it’s left me holding the baby.

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arethereanyleftatall · 06/02/2019 23:59

I've got to be honest op, I live the life you're describing (well without the uncompromising dh!) and I blooming love it. A dh who earns enough to cover the whole family. My own little business during school hours for pocket money. Plenty of time to myself. Plenty of time with my children. It's quite nice really.

minipie · 07/02/2019 00:00

Sounds like you know the industry he works in. Do you think he could genuinely manage to pick up some of the childcare responsibilities and still keep his current job/career path on track?

If you think he could then YANBU obviously.

However, in some City jobs (I guess he is in the City), the reality is that leaving early or arriving late several times a week, being unavailable for meetings at 8am or 6pm due to childcare commitments, and last minute days off for sick kids, are likely to result in being managed out or plateaued at best. (I speak from much depressing experience).

If this is the reality for him, you have to decide what’s most important for you as a family: maintaining his career, or you going back to work. It may be the money he makes is important enough to the family to outweigh your going back to work. Or it may not be. Neither is right or wrong but that is the trade off.

As an aside I am slightly suspicious of the “regular overnight stays in the London office” being non negotiable. I can’t think of many jobs which require regular overnight stays. Corporate law and banking maybe but overnighters are usually pretty rare once you get senior.

MrsTerryPratcett · 07/02/2019 00:04

I think when people say their salary won't cover childcare, the point that they're making is not which particular pot the childcare costs will come out of, but that it's not financial benefit to the family as a whole for them to work.

That is what they think they are saying. But it's not true. The gap in earnings means women never get back up to the higher earning place, which would make up for the childcare, just in 10 years, rather than now. Pension contributions, networking, keeping up to date, are all important and not factored in.

Why can't men take a career break? Because they know what the issues would be for them to get back their earnings but fail to see that it is exactly the same for women.

Also, overnights at the London office? I'd be very keen to stay earning.

PennyMordauntsLadyBrain · 07/02/2019 00:05

Yeah but it’s not for everyone arethereany. There’s nothing wrong with your set up if it works for you and the family, but when both parents are wanting to work outside the home it’s not right for one of them to foist all the responsibility for child rearing on to the other.

Aeonium · 07/02/2019 00:05

Yes arethereanyleftatall that’s it exactly, we could afford childcare but wouldn’t hardly be any better off for me working. I don’t know if any childminder would cover the long hours I used to work. Plus it would be harsh on DC who can’t possibly have both parents working all evening or weekends, it isn’t fair.

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cstaff · 07/02/2019 00:06

@arethereany The childcare may be more expensive than the OP's salary right now but if she wants to continue in her role and possibly get promoted they may have to take a hit now that will pay off later.

Re your husband OP just remind him that there are two of you and he needs to get his finger out of his arse and get involved with HIS child. Sounds like he needs reminding.

Drogosnextwife · 07/02/2019 00:07

So why can't you have a childminder,nanny or nursery? It's not your sole responsibility to pay for childcare if you want to work.

RupaulsGagRace · 07/02/2019 00:15

Why not find a childminder who does pre school and post school? Pick ups and drop offs? My DDs childminder works from 6:30am till 8pm. She will have my dd till 2pm but she also has a chilc she has in the morning who she tales to school, then picks him up and gives him his tea after school. I think its brill that these jobs exist, makes it easier on parents who have to work outside of school opening times.
Just do some research. I found the childcare.co.uk site really helpful

MrsTerryPratcett · 07/02/2019 00:15

we could afford childcare but wouldn’t hardly be any better off for me working

There's the rub. He doesn't care what 'we' need. But you do. Which means if 'we' becomes divorced, he'll be sorted and you'll be screwed.

RupaulsGagRace · 07/02/2019 00:16

I forgot to add that your DH should be helping as much as he can here. If he cant commit f all of his time then he can pay for it!