If you had to choose would you prefer a Corbyn Government/soft or no Brexit or a Hard Brexit with Tories staying in power?

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If the choice was between a hard Brexit (but the Tories staying in power) or soft/no Brexit and the Tory vote collapsing and Corbyn getting into power, which do you think would be more damaging to the UK and to you on a personal level?

Its like asking if you want to be shot in the head or the chest!

I'm a Remainer. However, I'm not sure we reverse the original referendum vote without creating deep social and political conflict for a generation. A new hard right wing fascist party could emerge if we simply remained.

I think Corbyn and momentum are frightening.

I think a no deal Brexit will be catastrophic but compared to reversing the vote and a Corbyn government, it might be slightly less disastrous long term.

Everyone who is saying a Corbyn government will be a disaster, can you just outline why? If you argue economic reasons can you please really clearly explain what you mean and why you think Starmer, McDonnell et al would be worse at managing the country in a way that is more damaging than how we stand at the moment?

A leader is just that, a leader surrounded by MP's who vote (hopefully) on behalf of their constituents. One person in politics is just one person.

Also once you start in on your explanation can you tell me how you reached that conclusion?

I am a social worker in children's safeguarding. I work with CAMHS, paediatricians, food banks, charities, housing, police, courts, domestic abuse services and on and on and the most vulnerable people in our society. Since 2007 I have never seen such damage to social systems or damage to individuals. If you could explain how this will get worse under Labour please enlighten me? Or how leaving the EU will help?

(I am asking only because I have read 'Corbyn will be disastrous' over and over again but no defined reasons why and no outline about the alternative solution and basically, I'm fucking sick to the stomach of watching families sink on a daily basis).

no Brexit

Labour gov but not one controlled by the hard left - the mood around the party right now is toxic if you dare question anything

Soft Brexit.

I too would love to know which of the labour policies people here are terrified of. Or rather, which tory policies they support.

Another vote for anyone including Mickey Mouse if it meant no Brexit

The inheritance tax proposals are one that we as a family don’t like. My Dad has worked hard to build a business and personal assets and wants to pass it on to me and DS to secure our future. Seems reasonable surely?
Taxing private school fees is another one.

Brexit and Tories are preferable, by a mile.

The no-deal scare stories are nothing on Venezuela. And that is were Corbyn would have us go.

Brexit and Tories - yeah that’s a good option to chose!!!!!!!

Right wing Tories allowed to run wild.

How long before the 1st workhouse opens?

How long before the first workhouse opens...? Eh? How old are you?

The Tories have been in power for the majority of the last 40 years and presided over a period of extraordinarily low unemployment. No workhouses. Actual Jobs.

Anyone but Corbyn!

I too would love to know which of the labour policies people here are terrified of.

Just go look at the same Economists and big institutions that are against brexit and look at their stance re Corbyn, and don't be fooled by it being costed and or a letter to the Guardian that included journalists and some intellgient people who did Zombi Studies at uni.

It's not for others to tell you in minute detail, its for you to read around and gain your own understanding and not fall into a trap and pretend others who think differently are not as educated, or even are default tory.

Bottom line is whatever Tories choose, labour has to go the other way in every circumstance or there'll be no reason to have two parties if they're both in agreement. It's their jobs to be in disagreement with each other. It's Labour's job to make it hard for Tories to pass any policies on Brexit and vice versa.

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It all comes down to winning votes in the long run so don't be mistaken !

Margaret ThatchersnGovt and low unemployment are not 2 things I would put together.

Probably my comment is a slight exaggeration (bit like Leave?) but if JRM is PM.................

I don’t like Corbyn at all. But I would hope he could be tamed as PM and wouldn’t last
Long.
Then we could get back to a more sensible Labour Party

I thought Corbyn was pro Brexit?
Its like asking someone if they'd rather you cut off an arm or a leg! Neither scenario fills me with anything other than depression.

Tory and Brexit with no deal unless the backstop is time limited or removed.

Everyone seems terrified of Corbyn, including my DH - but really, is a Tory government who won't rule out no deal really so much better? Jobs are moving already, we've lost the EMA, who knows how much more damage will be done if we leave the EU without a deal?

Actually when I read Corbyn's list of policies I supported a lot of them. But the ones I don't support are real biggies.

The UK is just the kind of powerhouse economy they need to prop up their club

Except that one year from now, after no deal, we won't be. We'll be a bigger basket case than Greece. At least Greece has food supplies.

Clan Is that Labour's change time inheritance or the one buried in the Commission's work programme that want to unify inheritance rules across the EU, thus totally changing the basis of how we leave our property in the UK, if we are still in or negotiating an FTA with them?

Corbyn and soft brexit for us. All the way. Or some magical non Brexit.

I read the Economist. I read an awful lot of content, left, centrist and right wing. I also read a lot of research because I had to for my MSc.

I have read, consistently, that Corbyn's manifesto for the GE was considered centre left from an economic, social and political POV. In comparison to Communism, Marxism and the more socialist Scandinavian countries it was watered down socialism.

I was asking (and have asked on other platforms) for detail if people's opinions because there are a lot of platitudes and rhetoric around Corbyn inc Venezuela, Terrorist sympathizer, hard left, commie, anti EU, dangerous, Corbynistas and incompetent. This level of semantics around one person seems extraordinary. Corbyn isn't left enough for me, so I'm not a slavish follower. I think he could be stronger against TM and often looks stressed and flappy at PMQ. But I would like to know how people have managed to come to this conclusion on their own backs rather than a media narrative. It is weird to say 'Find out for yourself why we think this. Do your own research.'

In regards to inheritance tax and tax on private school fees, I'm sorry but yesterday I had to take a child out of school and buy that child some socks and shoes in Morrisons because his soles were falling off in the snow. I had to take another to CAMHS and deal with probation as one of the mother's I have on my caseloads abuser us about to be released from prison and he knows where she lived and she's terrified. I struggle to worry or feel concern about tax when the most vulnerable in society are being ignored repeatedly.

Inheritance tax proposals means things stay the same as they are now, the threshold being £650,000, whilst the Tories were going to raise it.

This only effects 9% of estates, and means that if you inherit £1 million, means you get £860k, an average tax rate of 14%. Sorry that's utterly fair.

Tax on private schools? You mean applying the VAT which is removed because they are "charities", well they made their own bed there. Less than 1% of all students get a full scholarship, over 50% of those receiving one pay more than half the fees, fewer than 20 percent get any help at all. Lets stop pretending they are charities.

There were plenty pro Corbyn economists, many of them the same who don't back Brexit. Including Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

Many of the same corporations don't want Corbyn because he proposes changing the most neo liberal economy in the EU. However if they have to and we leave, they will move to other less generous countries.

In effect they would like to continue doing what they have done for the last 40 odd years, have the best of both worlds.