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111 reported me to Social Services! Absolutely Fuming!!! (Sorry- LONG)

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discopisco · 22/11/2018 15:00

Posting here for traffic.

Background:

Me and DH are ftp to a much wanted and planned 11 week old baby. Baby is beautiful and the cutest thing we’ve ever seen but he’s a notoriously bad sleeper (he’s a cat napping meerkat at best). That coupled with the fact that baby has had a consistent cold/viral infection since 9 days old has meant that we’re both constantly exhausted and feel like we’ve been hit by a bus.

Context:

Baby has so far had a number of visits to see the GP for feeding/digestive issues and two visits to A&E- the first at 9 days of age because he wasn’t feeding well (diagnosed with a cold and prescribed saline drops) and the second time at 9 weeks old for the same issue plus him appearing drowsy/sleepy (totally out of character for the poor guy). The second visit to A&E came about when I rang NHS 111. The lady asked me a million questions and then said she was calling an ambulance just to be on the safe side. I cried thinking I’d missed major signs related to baby being poorly but she was lovely and reassuring and said baby seemed fine and the ambulance people would simply check him to see if further action was needed. As it happens, the paramedics arrived within minutes and carried out their assessments. They said they weren’t worried in the least and asked me why I’d requested an ambulance. I told Them I hadn’t- the lady at 111 had. At this, they looked at each other and rolled their eyes and one of them said something along the lines of ‘bloody idiots need their heads knocking together’. They told me that since they had been called they would have to take baby to A&E to get him checked over by medical staff. When we got to hospital and they handed us over to the triage nurse, she asked why they’d been sent out to see a child with symptoms of the cold. One of the paramedic said ‘111’ and the nurse mouthed ‘bloody t@ats’. After a couple of hours, baby was seen by the Paediatrician, diagnosed again as having a cold, prescribed saline drops again and we were sent home.

Current situation:

Baby was seriously congested, didn’t want to feed as much and wasn’t sleeping much at all- he’d sleep for a few minutes and would then wake up spluttering. I’d pick him up, pat his back and put him down again but the same thing would happen. Thinking 111 was an out of hours GP service and would advise me, I called them and asked them what I could do to help the baby breathe a bit better. After getting his details wrong a couple of times, I was passed onto someone else who also struggled to locate baby’s details on the 111 computer system. This second person was curt and very, very cold. She asked me a number of questions in a very robotic manner and simply wanted a yes/no answer. She asked me if baby was grunting when he breathed. I told her I didn’t think so but I didn’t know what a grunting breath sounded like. So I mimicked the baby and said ‘is that what you mean? Is that grunting?’ She said she wasn’t in a position to say as she wasn’t there with us. She asked me again if baby was grunting so I asked her to give me an example of a grunt- she said she couldn’t as different people had different versions of what a grunt was! In the end, I said baby was not grunting. At the end of the assessment, she said the baby didn’t sound like he was in danger but we should take him to A&E. I thanked her and said if he wasn’t in any danger then I’d keep an eye on him for the next couple of hours and if he got worse, I’d take him to hospital as my husband (the only driver) was ill himself and had taken medication that made him drowsy (I’d have called a cab). At this, she became incredulous and confrontational and said ‘are you putting your welfare ahead of your child’s? You need to get him to A&E now!’ Because she was so aloof throughout the call, the tone she used to speak to me made me see red so I repeated what I had said firmly that I’d monitor the baby myself and if things got any worse, I’d take him to the hospital. I explained we’d been in previously and been told the baby had had a cold and needed to rest it out. I said I didn’t think waiting in A&E past midnight on a cold night would do him any good. She completely ignored what I had said and kept talking over me repeating ‘so you’re not taking him to A&E?!’ When I said ‘not for the moment, no’. She said ‘right, I’m reporting you to social services- your child should be your first priority!’ When I asked to speak to her manager, she told me there wasn’t one but she’d get the duty Gp to call us as a matter of urgency.

We did end up going into A&E (at 1:30am) as baby’s temperature was slightly on the low side. The triage nurse told us baby looked okay. She also said since it was a busy night, we should be prepared for a long wait. While waiting, we got a call from the duty Dr at 111. She said from what we’d told her that the baby had a cold and that he needed a rest. She said it was good we’d gone into A&E just to be on the safe side. She apologised when I explained what her colleague had said about making a referral to Social Services. She said she’d put a note on the system for everything to be put on hold and that she’d get someone to give me a call in the morning to talk through that horrendous 111 call. We ended up waiting in a corridor from 1:30-8:30am (no beds cubicles/beds available as there were children there with much serious ailments) and when were seen by the Paediatrician, we were told they’d put us at the bottom of the list as baby had not been deemed ill/serious enough! We were given some more saline drops and sent on our way.

We got home about lunchtime and as I was rocking the baby to sleep. DH got a call from an anonymous number- our local social services! The social worker said we’d been referred overnight as a matter of urgency did he agree that our son was in danger of being neglected? DH told her about the call and how he felt it was a malicious referral and that he was not willing to discuss matters any further as we’d be making a formal complaint against the 111 member of staff for escalating things without reason. The SW told him that since a referral was made, they’d have to act one way or another- either with his consent or without!

To cut an even longer story short- no one from 111 direct called us again to query what had happened. The Social Worker has since passed on our details to the local children’s centre and we’ve had them make contact re: baby’s welfare. We’ve asked for support re: his sleep which although needed is more to get them off our backs. I’m so so so upset and angry that SS were used as a threat/ammunition by the 111 worker in an attempt to force us to comply to her dodgy assessment. I’m a regular user of the children’s centre and am now paranoid and self-conscious that the staff there will think I’m a bad mum because SS are involved with our family and that theyll pick on the littlest thing to report me again?! It’s put me off going to anymore sessions with the baby.

Both me and DH are professionals who are incredibly responsive parents. We are not a SS family. We need help getting the baby to sleep but can do that through a sleep consultant privately. We do not need a SW keeping an eye on us to do that.

So, my question is what should I do next? I’ve contacted 111 again and asked them to get someone senior to call me back re: a complaint. I’m thinking of contacting my local MP about this too. I can’t stand the Daily Fail but I hope one of their journalists is reading this and reports it. I’m so so upset. The relentlessness of motherhood- the constant feedings, changing, sleeplessness, lack of social support, etc. was already a massive struggle but I was managing to stay on the right side of good mental health. This referral is overwhelming me and I fear it’s going to lead to PND, especially since I’m reluctant to take the baby to sessions at the children’s centre. He’s been poorly as it is and we’ve been cooped up at home but I don’t know how I’ll be able to entertain him/socialise once he’s better because I can’t return to the children’s centre. I can’t do it- I feel so ashamed.

Apologies for the rant/she said- I said post but I just needed to get this off my chest. Would welcome other perspectives/advice/guidance.

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SnowWhitesRestingBitchFace · 22/11/2018 15:08

I'm sorry I don't have any advice but I'm shocked and angry on your behalf. You must be so stressed and scared!

GoingToInfinity · 22/11/2018 15:12

Oh goodness this sounds like a living nightmare. The 111 call handler sounds off her rocker. I know they primarily read from a script, but surely they should be able to explain what they mean by a grunt. To threaten SS as as well, particularly if you'd be putting you baby at risk by following her advice and getting someone drowsy from medication to drive them is insane.

Keep chasing 111 to put in a complaint. So sorry you're going through this.

TranmereRover · 22/11/2018 15:13

Put in an immediate request for a transcript or actual copy of the calls that you made before they're wiped. That should be all you need.

discopisco · 22/11/2018 15:14

Just remembered: she said the risk of a drowsy person driving would be better than having a very, very ill baby or something to that effect. I'm getting more and more angry as I think of this. Thank his their calls are recorded. It's all there.

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discopisco · 22/11/2018 15:15

Thank god*

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discopisco · 22/11/2018 15:15

@TranmereRover - can they do that? They have to keep hold of them don't they?

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RandomObject · 22/11/2018 15:18

If she told you your husband should drive a baby with a cold to A&E on drowsy medication she should be sacked, end of.

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 22/11/2018 15:19

I wonder if baby had been seriously ill and she hadnt suggested a&e then she would have been in trouble. No idea why she would have threatened ss though. May be to cover her own back? Sounds OTT either way and needs following up.

Btw this comment Both me and DH are professionals who are incredibly responsive parents. We are not a SS family is irrelevant. There's no such thing as a AS family until you think only non professionals come under that umbrella?

JudgeRulesNutterButter · 22/11/2018 15:20

The SW told him that since a referral was made, they’d have to act one way or another- either with his consent or without!

I would be complaining to social services as well as 111. If that’s policy then it’s bloody stupid- they ought to be able to not take action in the case of mistaken/malicious/unnecessary referrals. And if it’s not policy then that SW should not be saying it is.

Can see why you’re fuming OP- horrendous saga. Hope you get a decent outcome from the complaints without it being too stressful. Flowers

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 22/11/2018 15:21

Also, I'm assuming you can complain via PALS. Look the service up on your local NHS website

seventhgonickname · 22/11/2018 15:21

Your baby is 11 weeks old so don't worry about socialising as long as you and your DH chat to him and play.
On nice days get outside for a walk,good for you and your baby.
Do you meet up with other mums?It's great to talk and realise other first time mums have the same issues.
Keep going to the children's centre ,more for you that your baby ,it is unlikely that they will know about the second and if they do tell them.
You are a new mum,still healing from having grown your baby for 40ish weeks,sleep deprived and doing s good job by the sounds of it.Dont besides hard on yourself and enjoy your son

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 22/11/2018 15:21

Urgh at my typos. SS not AS and unless not until

discopisco · 22/11/2018 15:22

I swear none of this made up. I'm shocked and so effing angry at how this has all ended up. Never calling 111 again. Ever. Ever. B*stards. People laugh at other for relying on Dr Google but that is what I shall be doing from now on in.

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BarbarianMum · 22/11/2018 15:24

The first thing I would do is find out the number of your Out of Hours GP service and also see if you have a Walk In GP service near you. Then you can stop calling 111 so often (if you call them with a poorly baby you will always end up in A&E).

Second thing I'd do is get hold of some guidance on when to take your baby to a doctor. I'm not surprised you're twitchy, what with being first time parents and with 111 constntly sending you to the hospital but I found when I'd be talked through the "this is normal" and "this requires attention" I was better able to judge for myself when I needed to be worried and action needed to be taken (still ended up with doctors giving me the sideways head tilt sometimes and at other times saying "You should have brought him in earlier MrsBarbarian but that's motherhood for you)

DonaldDucksTowel · 22/11/2018 15:25

While she was clearly in the wrong I do think a referral would’ve probably been made at some point or another with the frequency you are using 111 and A&E - you really shouldn’t be repeatedly using those services for a baby with a cold

blackcat86 · 22/11/2018 15:26

111 are utter shite. My parents called once because I had a chest infection (having had asthma since a teenager I know what was wrong). 111 were convinced I was having a heart attack at 21 but also wouldn't call an ambulance! I then called recently for my 3 month old who had a rash and persistent diarreah. They said they could only talk to me about 1 symptom and which was more important. My response was that I'm a concerned ftp talking to a nurse, you tell me what's most concerning! She then asked if the patient had any history of depression, cancer or suicidal thoughts..she was 10 weeks old. It's not you it's them.

discopisco · 22/11/2018 15:26

@sparepantsandtoothbrush - I didn't mean any offence by that. All I'm saying is- you read about children growing up in poverty, parents being vulnerable with mental health issues, etc. We're not that. Thankfully. There are much needier families out there needing SS support and we're not one of those.

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traveller11 · 22/11/2018 15:27

Your local pharmacist should be able to give you the numbers of your nearest out of hours GP to avoid having to deal with 111 again.

So sorry you're going through all of this, hope it resolves quickly for you

discopisco · 22/11/2018 15:28

@DonaldDucksTowel - he's 11 weeks old ffs. Have a read anywhere online and after the initial due diligence, it's there in bold: if your child is under three months of age, please seek immediate medical advice.

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SummerInSun · 22/11/2018 15:28

Poor you. I hugely sympathise. I’ve made the same mistake of thinking that 111 was an advice service, and then been ordered to get my 4 year old out of bed to take him to the first available urgent GP appointment, which was at 9:30pm at a hospital a longish drive away. Now if I have a mild concern and want advice I ring a doctor friend or just look at the NHS website. And if I’m more concerned, I just go to the paediatric A&E at my nearest hospital, since they are at least close and efficient.

In all honesty, I think the only mistake was your DH not calmly explaining all of this to the first social worker who rang. If you’d done that, they would probably have shut the whole thing down. What on did he think refusing to talk to them would achieve, other than make them more, not less, concerned? I think your best bet is to explain it all you Social Services, just as you’ve done here. And I wouldn’t feel embarrassed about going to the children’s centre - you’ve done nothing wrong!

BobbleHat102 · 22/11/2018 15:28

As the mother of a 6wk old 1st baby, I am reading this with absolute horror. I haven't had to use the 111 service for my daughter yet and now I'm hoping I never do!!

While it does not excuse what happened to you in any way, I do get the impression that the nhs are very, very afraid of making mistakes and the climate of extreme caution is understandable given the thankfully rare cases where they underplay something and a tragedy occurs.

However, it does seem that this person was needlessly confrontational and if she believed your child needee immediate hospital attention she should have attempted to persuade you by explaining this better. At best, she was unprofessional, at worst, vindictive.

Stay strong. Social services have a duty to follow up on all reports but will quickly close the case when they see nothing is wrong in your family.

Hope the little one gets better soon. Flowers

LettuceP · 22/11/2018 15:29

That's awful and yes you definitely need to contact them for a transcript of that call and kick up a huge fuss. That woman should not be in that job!

I know your angry but Both me and DH are professionals who are incredibly responsive parents. We are not a SS family is a really shitty comment to make. People from all professions and all walks of life have involvement from social services.

discopisco · 22/11/2018 15:30

@BobbleHat102 - I was told how important it is for new mums to take themselves and babies out as soon as they were healed to stay active and feel good. I thought I was doing that but I feel I can never go to the CC again.

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BaskingSharks · 22/11/2018 15:31

This sounds like an upsetting experience, but this:

both me and DH are professionals who are incredibly responsive parents. We are not a SS family. We need help getting the baby to sleep but can do that through a sleep consultant privately. We do not need a SW keeping an eye on us to do that.

Makes you sound incredibly snooty. ‘We are not a SS family’. Really?

blackcat86 · 22/11/2018 15:31

I work in social care and with regards to ss, keep going to the children's centre, it shows you're engaged and your baby is being seen by others with no previous concerns. Do not refuse to engage with them, be helpful, open, courteous but careful. Keep your house clean and tidy, have plenty of nappies, wipes, formula etc. Have a clean well stocked fridge. Get out to baby groups and activities, show that you have good family support and go to the gp with any health concerns. Remember that the social worker has 40-60 other families on their caseload at least so if they can close down your case quickly with no concerns then they will but they do have a duty to check you out now a referral has been made and whilst you should absolutely make a complaint to 111 it won't change the response of ss.

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