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111 reported me to Social Services! Absolutely Fuming!!! (Sorry- LONG)

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discopisco · 22/11/2018 15:00

Posting here for traffic.

Background:

Me and DH are ftp to a much wanted and planned 11 week old baby. Baby is beautiful and the cutest thing we’ve ever seen but he’s a notoriously bad sleeper (he’s a cat napping meerkat at best). That coupled with the fact that baby has had a consistent cold/viral infection since 9 days old has meant that we’re both constantly exhausted and feel like we’ve been hit by a bus.

Context:

Baby has so far had a number of visits to see the GP for feeding/digestive issues and two visits to A&E- the first at 9 days of age because he wasn’t feeding well (diagnosed with a cold and prescribed saline drops) and the second time at 9 weeks old for the same issue plus him appearing drowsy/sleepy (totally out of character for the poor guy). The second visit to A&E came about when I rang NHS 111. The lady asked me a million questions and then said she was calling an ambulance just to be on the safe side. I cried thinking I’d missed major signs related to baby being poorly but she was lovely and reassuring and said baby seemed fine and the ambulance people would simply check him to see if further action was needed. As it happens, the paramedics arrived within minutes and carried out their assessments. They said they weren’t worried in the least and asked me why I’d requested an ambulance. I told Them I hadn’t- the lady at 111 had. At this, they looked at each other and rolled their eyes and one of them said something along the lines of ‘bloody idiots need their heads knocking together’. They told me that since they had been called they would have to take baby to A&E to get him checked over by medical staff. When we got to hospital and they handed us over to the triage nurse, she asked why they’d been sent out to see a child with symptoms of the cold. One of the paramedic said ‘111’ and the nurse mouthed ‘bloody t@ats’. After a couple of hours, baby was seen by the Paediatrician, diagnosed again as having a cold, prescribed saline drops again and we were sent home.

Current situation:

Baby was seriously congested, didn’t want to feed as much and wasn’t sleeping much at all- he’d sleep for a few minutes and would then wake up spluttering. I’d pick him up, pat his back and put him down again but the same thing would happen. Thinking 111 was an out of hours GP service and would advise me, I called them and asked them what I could do to help the baby breathe a bit better. After getting his details wrong a couple of times, I was passed onto someone else who also struggled to locate baby’s details on the 111 computer system. This second person was curt and very, very cold. She asked me a number of questions in a very robotic manner and simply wanted a yes/no answer. She asked me if baby was grunting when he breathed. I told her I didn’t think so but I didn’t know what a grunting breath sounded like. So I mimicked the baby and said ‘is that what you mean? Is that grunting?’ She said she wasn’t in a position to say as she wasn’t there with us. She asked me again if baby was grunting so I asked her to give me an example of a grunt- she said she couldn’t as different people had different versions of what a grunt was! In the end, I said baby was not grunting. At the end of the assessment, she said the baby didn’t sound like he was in danger but we should take him to A&E. I thanked her and said if he wasn’t in any danger then I’d keep an eye on him for the next couple of hours and if he got worse, I’d take him to hospital as my husband (the only driver) was ill himself and had taken medication that made him drowsy (I’d have called a cab). At this, she became incredulous and confrontational and said ‘are you putting your welfare ahead of your child’s? You need to get him to A&E now!’ Because she was so aloof throughout the call, the tone she used to speak to me made me see red so I repeated what I had said firmly that I’d monitor the baby myself and if things got any worse, I’d take him to the hospital. I explained we’d been in previously and been told the baby had had a cold and needed to rest it out. I said I didn’t think waiting in A&E past midnight on a cold night would do him any good. She completely ignored what I had said and kept talking over me repeating ‘so you’re not taking him to A&E?!’ When I said ‘not for the moment, no’. She said ‘right, I’m reporting you to social services- your child should be your first priority!’ When I asked to speak to her manager, she told me there wasn’t one but she’d get the duty Gp to call us as a matter of urgency.

We did end up going into A&E (at 1:30am) as baby’s temperature was slightly on the low side. The triage nurse told us baby looked okay. She also said since it was a busy night, we should be prepared for a long wait. While waiting, we got a call from the duty Dr at 111. She said from what we’d told her that the baby had a cold and that he needed a rest. She said it was good we’d gone into A&E just to be on the safe side. She apologised when I explained what her colleague had said about making a referral to Social Services. She said she’d put a note on the system for everything to be put on hold and that she’d get someone to give me a call in the morning to talk through that horrendous 111 call. We ended up waiting in a corridor from 1:30-8:30am (no beds cubicles/beds available as there were children there with much serious ailments) and when were seen by the Paediatrician, we were told they’d put us at the bottom of the list as baby had not been deemed ill/serious enough! We were given some more saline drops and sent on our way.

We got home about lunchtime and as I was rocking the baby to sleep. DH got a call from an anonymous number- our local social services! The social worker said we’d been referred overnight as a matter of urgency did he agree that our son was in danger of being neglected? DH told her about the call and how he felt it was a malicious referral and that he was not willing to discuss matters any further as we’d be making a formal complaint against the 111 member of staff for escalating things without reason. The SW told him that since a referral was made, they’d have to act one way or another- either with his consent or without!

To cut an even longer story short- no one from 111 direct called us again to query what had happened. The Social Worker has since passed on our details to the local children’s centre and we’ve had them make contact re: baby’s welfare. We’ve asked for support re: his sleep which although needed is more to get them off our backs. I’m so so so upset and angry that SS were used as a threat/ammunition by the 111 worker in an attempt to force us to comply to her dodgy assessment. I’m a regular user of the children’s centre and am now paranoid and self-conscious that the staff there will think I’m a bad mum because SS are involved with our family and that theyll pick on the littlest thing to report me again?! It’s put me off going to anymore sessions with the baby.

Both me and DH are professionals who are incredibly responsive parents. We are not a SS family. We need help getting the baby to sleep but can do that through a sleep consultant privately. We do not need a SW keeping an eye on us to do that.

So, my question is what should I do next? I’ve contacted 111 again and asked them to get someone senior to call me back re: a complaint. I’m thinking of contacting my local MP about this too. I can’t stand the Daily Fail but I hope one of their journalists is reading this and reports it. I’m so so upset. The relentlessness of motherhood- the constant feedings, changing, sleeplessness, lack of social support, etc. was already a massive struggle but I was managing to stay on the right side of good mental health. This referral is overwhelming me and I fear it’s going to lead to PND, especially since I’m reluctant to take the baby to sessions at the children’s centre. He’s been poorly as it is and we’ve been cooped up at home but I don’t know how I’ll be able to entertain him/socialise once he’s better because I can’t return to the children’s centre. I can’t do it- I feel so ashamed.

Apologies for the rant/she said- I said post but I just needed to get this off my chest. Would welcome other perspectives/advice/guidance.

OP posts:
Threadastaire · 25/11/2018 18:50

Jassyradlet I've had photos of myself published online and have had voice recordings shared around Facebook labelling me essentially a child snatcher and inviting people to attack me in the street, please tell me more about how I'm being paranoid? The absolute worst though is when people have used recordings (typically short extracts from) and played them to their own children, just to screw with their kids heads and serve their own agenda.

Quite aside from that, do you consent to being recorded in work? Would you record a&e staff? Retail staff? Workmen? Do you assume that signing an employment contract makes your face and voice public property?

Fwiw child protection meetings and claimed reviews have independent chairs. Legal meetings have an agreed minute taker. Everything else is the social workers responsibility though family members are welcome to take their own notes. I commonly offer to take notes for family and we read them together at the end, agree any changes and give them them there and then.

Shepherdspieisminging · 25/11/2018 18:54

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plaidlife · 25/11/2018 19:01

jassy I'm not saying that there are not any recordings that are undertaken but they are very unusual in most work encounters. There are few interactions between members of the public and people carrying out professional activities that are recorded, other than some police activity.
OP, I would also suggest that you restrain any impulses you have to converse in dead languages. Should you feel tempted just look at Boris Johnson and say no.
I agree with charmlight.

JassyRadlett · 25/11/2018 19:05

I said it came across to me as paranoid; people have explained why, I’ve learned a lot. As I say, eye-opening.

I’d like to reiterate that I’ve never suggested OP should undertake recording on this thread or elsewhere, let alone covert recording which I don’t think is ever ok without a legal warrant.

I was simply responding to a poster suggesting that someone asking to record a conversation would come across as having something to hide, which on the basis of available information struck me as illogical. I’m still not sure how requesting to record comes across that way, but I can see people may have other reasons to decline recording now. Thanks.

JassyRadlett · 25/11/2018 19:08

When I started my PhD I was told off for trying to use long words when simpler ones would do
Perhaps you should try it. It reads like you've tried to use a thesaurus to make your argument sound clever.

Sorry -not my intent. But I’m very glad you got the mention of your PhD in there. I’m sure that felt ace.

carmelsundae · 25/11/2018 19:11

OP, I only read till about page 10 then skimmed the rest so sorry if it's already been said... my youngest was quite like yours by the sound of it. I went dairy free and like you said didn't see a huge amount of improvement. I had to also cut soya and egg out my diet as the protein in those is very similar to dairy, and turned out she was also allergic to those! Few weeks of being free from those, no more congestion and slept 10-12 hours a night! Don't rule out allergies just cos dairy isn't causing an improvement!

Shepherdspieisminging · 25/11/2018 19:16

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unlimiteddilutingjuice · 25/11/2018 19:21

"When they see all is well, I’m sure they’ll be only too pleased to signpost as required, and close the case.
A lot of over reacting and flame fanning here."

Agree. In fact, from OPs first post, this might already have happened.

These social work threads always devolve into people going into terrifying detail about child protection meetings, or speculating wildly about what in particular ss might be concerned about, or darkly muttering about the need to "accept whatever support they offer and work with them to keep your children"

All before the initial assessment. Calm down people.

exWifebeginsat40 · 28/11/2018 12:36

i think, in a nutshell, this went wrong when the 111 call taker explicitly told you to take your baby to the hospital right now, as in ‘hang up the phone right now and got to A&E’, and you didn’t.

a few years ago i had to meet with social services, as unbeknownst to me, a registered sex offender was on a course i was doing, and he was barred from having any contact with parents of young teenagers. i guess his Probation Officer found out he was on the course, contacted the providers and it was discovered that me and another woman had teenage daughters.

a lady from Social Sevices came to see me at home, and i had to sign an agreement not to let my teenage daughter have any contact with this man. which on the face of it was ludicrous - as if i would let that happen, knowing the man is a sex offender.

but, i signed it, and the case was closed. i don’t think arguing with the Social Worker that i would never let that happen, why should i sign etc, would have helped. at all.

it was horrible, but it is what it is. if social services contact you, just see what it is they need, and work with them so they are sure all is ok with your family.

(for what it’s worth, i grew up rich middle class, and my childhood was so horrendous that i have PTSD, amongst other things. behind closed doors, and all that)

aaaand, the thread is killed. because i am the thread killer. soz.

Jammerbean · 28/11/2018 21:59

Im appalled that you think you not a 'ss' family. What a horrible way to look at other people.

I do think your situation with the 111 call is just plain shocking and i hope its resolved.

Cailleachian · 05/12/2018 20:30

@exWifebeginsat40

"a few years ago i had to meet with social services, as unbeknownst to me, a registered sex offender was on a course i was doing, and he was barred from having any contact with parents of young teenagers"

"a lady from Social Sevices came to see me at home, and i had to sign an agreement not to let my teenage daughter have any contact with this man. "

Wait - what?!

A man you are on a course with is a sex offender who has restrictions that means he should not contact you as a parent of a teenager and YOU had to sign saying that you will not let your teenage daughter have contact with him.

Why was he not immediately pulled from the course given that he was known to be breaching his conditions?

Of course its right that they informed you that they had failed in enforcing his legal restrictions, but that should have been an apology, and an assurance that despite their failure that had potentially put your daughter at risk they will now be more vigilant in monitoring him.

Alexro · 18/08/2021 14:33

Hi I know this was a while ago but I’ve had something similar . Did you end up making a complaint ? X

Getawaywithit · 18/08/2021 14:45

I suspect people phoning for advice and then following up is an issue. My youngest child was unwell and I phoned for advice and the system said I needed an ambulance - I literally laughed out loud because as far as I was concerned, he just had some kind of stomach upset that had lingered. She said it would be at least an hour for an ambulance so I said I could be there in 20 minutes so would take him myself. Her last words were ‘make sure you take him’. As it happened, he had type 1 diabetes and had I ignored the advice, I was told in no uncertain terms that the chances of him having woken up the next morning were slim.

So I guess that a) people not following advice is an issue and b) potentially life threatening in a worse case scenario and could be considered neglect. In which case, involving Social Services seems less of an issue, perhaps.

Getawaywithit · 18/08/2021 14:45

Bollox. Zombie thread.

itsgrand · 18/08/2021 14:59

thread was near two years ago

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