That a male just won a women’s cycling World Championship?

[Badmoonsarising]

Can’t really get my mind round this tbh though i was aware of another male Laurel Hubbard taking medals in the Women’s Weight Lifting World Championships earlier this year. Are we really ready for males winning the Women’s Wimbledon Title and the women’s Olympic 100m Final?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/15/trans-woman-rachel-mckinnon-cycling-world-championship/amp/

Strange that, eh? Maybe if she ran in men's races and started beating them then we'd hear a whimper.

I'd be pretty interested to see what the winner's testosterone levels were like.
I'm sure I read somewhere that he doesn't believe in taking the androgeny medication as it's against his human rights...

I wonder if the IOC and the Athletics Federation are trying to sort of create a stance without saying we are banning trans athletes but make it impossible for them to compete.
Caster is sort of caught up within the same regulations.

Regarding testosterone levels, I'm sure Rachel has said they are low, lower than some women.
I don't know about muscle mass, heart and lung size however, maybe that has been conveniently ignored?

Regarding testosterone levels, I'm sure Rachel has said they are low, lower than some women

No the levels for T women are much higher than a normal women's for transgender women in sport. But then you get cases like caster semenya who has high levels. But then you get normal women being banned if they take extra testosterone.

Testost Levels in sport are something like men 13nmols, Trans women 10nmols, women 2nmols. Fair eh?

I thought she had said here measured lower?

*hers

Prettu sure not.
Especially as she states that, "There is no evidence that having a higher produced value of endogenous testosterone has any performance advantages at all. The evidence does not bear that out. So that is the second myth: the more testosterone you have, naturally, the better you are. So trans women might be male early on, and that on average such bodies have more endogenous naturally testosterone, therefore they’re stronger because of that. We have evidence that is just not the case."

Really don't think she is doing transpeople any favours at all.

Peter Tatchel has spoken on this - he can’t see why transwomen are being picked out for having a physical advantage when many athletes naturally have a physical advantage anyway 🤔. The video debate is quite interesting though.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=jZuv9U8Qbi8

Maybe the word natural is quite important here

Peter Tatchel has spoken on this - he can’t see why transwomen are being picked out for having a physical advantage when many athletes naturally have a physical advantage

I wish Mr Tatchel and his recent comments/non-letter signing etc would just fuck right off.

Really? He can't see this?

Peter Tatchell can see it fine. It's just a shame that he's turned out to be yet another raging misogynist pretending to be progressive.

I thought it very suspect that PT brought up fast twitch muscle... .

PT always was a twat.

What astounds me is the level of self-delusion of the TW. Tweeting about breaking world records on an average day. No you're not the fastest woman in the world because you're not a woman.

Fucking disgusting

What astounds me is the level of self-delusion of the TW.
^^
And I like i said, I really don't think Rachel M has done the movement any favours.
I especially thought her non acceptance of the apology really shit and essentially just used it as another excuse to bash the bronze winner.

Yet again trans activists trying to conflate intersex conditions, where there may actually be a debate to be had about fairness (both to intersex and non-intersex competitors) and transwomen athletes, where there’s no confusion at all about the fact that they’re male, because only males can be transwomen.

The IAAF are changing the rules on testosterone levels
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/43890575

"Really don't think she is doing transpeople any favours at all."

It's really not. There is no requirment for Rachel to compete against females except her own desire to win!

Other trans people are suffering and looking for help to deal with crippling dysphoria and Rachel if front stage beating women in women's sport.

Badly done.

Re Rachel’s testosterone levels.

mobile.twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1051598518341779456

Good grief, the cognitive dissonance there is astonishing.

Tatchell knows full well that there is a world of difference between two men competing where one might have a genetic advantage over the other, and a woman competing against a man.

It's not all about testosterone, there are a myriad of things that give men an advantage over women and he knows it. Utterly sickening.

I shouldn't be surprised anymore but the hatred of women, expressed without any sense of conscience, is terrifying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/9q279k/notfairrworldcyclinggbronzemedalisttcriesfoul/

This Reddit thread has over 6,000 comments, and all of the top ones are against McKinnon's cheating. 

SPOFS

Thanks, this too...

www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/9om7it/transgender_canadian_woman_sets_off_debate_after/e7v5pp5/

"For a sense of just how vast the differences are:

Male humans have:

greater upper body strength (Lassek & Gaulin 2009)

taller bodies (Alexander et al. 1979)

heavier bodies (Loomba-Albrecht et al. 2009)

higher basal metabolic rates (Garn & Clark 1953)

faster reaction times (Der & Deary 2006)

thicker bones in the jaw (Humphrey et al. 1999)

faster mental rotation and spatial visualization (Voyer et al. 1995)

more accurate throwing (Jardine & Martin 1983)

more accurate blocking of thrown objects (Watson & Kimura 1989)

more interest in the practice of combat skills (Gibbons et al. 1997)

stronger bones (Schoenau et al. 2001)

greater bone density specifically in the arms (Wells 2007)

easier heat dissipation (Burse 1979)

more hemoglobin in the blood (Waalen & Beutler 2001)

higher muscle-to-fat ratio (Loomba-Albrecht et al. 2009)

larger hearts (Tanner 1970)

higher systolic blood pressure (Tanner 1970)

broader shoulders enabling efficient weapon use (Brues 1959; Tanner 1989)

larger sweat capacity (Burse 1979)

larger circulating blood volume (Burse 1979)

greater resistance to dehydration (Burse 1979)

Source

All of this being the result of the fact that Men and Women express 6500 genes differently"

*SPOFS www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/9q279k/notfairr_worldcyclingg_bronzemedalistt_cries_foul/

This Reddit thread has over 6,000 comments, and all of the top ones are against McKinnon's cheating*

Quite heartening really, as are the Daily Mail comments. Unsurprisingly not full of abuse, but comments about it being unfair.

Another issue is of course, is how she isn't officially cheating, as she is playing within the current rules!