To think the tide is turning with transgenderism

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There have been a flood of articles in mainstream newspapers criticising transgenderism and putting forward the feminist perspective. It is not long ago that no mainstream newspaper would carry these articles. The tide seems to be turning.

Sadly I disagree, yes it’s true people are becoming more vocal, but it’s too late the battle is lost.
The gender recognition bill, unisex toilets and unisex everything else, recognition of terms like gender fluid are evidence of the success of the trans lobby

Shouldnt this be in FWR?

I think it is and sincerely hope so.

I don't think we are there yet. When a bus cannot bear the definition of woman, we are not there.

What is changing, is the media allowing the discussion to be seen, at last.

The discussion is still widely seen as transphobic though.

Shouldnt this be in FWR

No

And i agree with pickle

I think the opposite. Outside of MN I see more tolerance and acceptance everywhere than there has ever been before. I’m just now reading a programme of events my work has circulated for national coming out day which includes lunch time seminars about how to support colleagues transitioning at work, an update on developments to our offices which incorporate new gender neutral spaces, and an event for Transgender Remembrance Day on 20 November.

That is sad Beastie.

I also don't think that women's rights are safe yet. Unfortunately even if the GRA is put on the backburner, there are enough "right-on" types in positions of power who will do what they want regardless of what the law says they should do, e.g. failing to provide single-sex toilets/wards/refuges, etc.

Beastie have you ever had lunchtime seminars in regards to supporting colleagues who have come out as gay, or are pregnant, or have suffered bereavement, or suffer from a mental illness? Genuine question - for all I know that's common practice, but am curious.

As to the main topic - I think a lot more awareness of the really negative, concerning issues around self ID etc has been raised in the UK. I'm so pleased to see it.

Shouldnt this be in FWR

No HTH

Not sure what you mean by "transgenderism". The term is too vague. Yes, there the media are (at last) starting to comment on the problematic aspects of gender/queer theory, the demand for self-ID, and the silencing of gender critical voices, which is a good thing. This is something that could have big repercussions for women's rights as well as for vulnerable people (especially young gay people) attracted to the trans narrative. It needs discussing.

Which is nothing to do with "tolerance" or "acceptance".

Not everything has to go in FWR.

Scrumple - mental illness - yes, and we have just setup a new internal team focused on mental well-being

The rest - nope

Thanks, pitterpatterrain. That's interesting about mental illness! A bit odd to me though, really, that people are expected to "support" their colleagues other than being polite and kind, and letting them get on with things.

Chelle I think you mischaracterise the issue- it’s not, and never has been, a battle against transgender people. Hell, may of the people involved in the GC side are transgender. It’s a battle against trans rights activists who are hell bent on rendering women obsolete as a class, thereby removing all the hard-fought rights won over the last 100 years.

Being opposed to self-id, or being unable to believe that people with penises are literally women, or objecting to the word woman being changed to womxn to make it more inclusive, is not anti-trans, and trying to spin it as such is disingenuous.

Oops, Artesia said what I meant much better!

Outside of MN I see more tolerance and acceptance everywhere than there has ever been before. I’m just now reading a programme of events my work has circulated for national coming out day which includes lunch time seminars about how to support colleagues transitioning at work, an update on developments to our offices which incorporate new gender neutral spaces, and an event for Transgender Remembrance Day on 20 November.

How could that possibly be a bad thing? Whatever your views on toilet access if you don't wish to support colleagues going through a very difficult transition then you've become too partisan and had an empathy bypass.

There is also, ironically so, a lot of transphobia among transgender rights activists, especially towards transmen but quite a bit aimed towards transwomen. I mean they openly mock, belittle and call trans people who transition fully "truscum" for crying out loud.

I am happy for society to support people of all kinds who need support. I have no issue with people presenting in whatever way they are most comfortable.

I'm not happy for women's awards to go to people who have not lived their life as women, and I am not happy for statistics to be skewed by misgendering people. I am not happy for the word woman to be transphobic or for the definition of woman to be transphobic.

I think it's great that tg people are increasingly tolerated and understood - I have two in my family, one over 60, one in 20s. However they are 1% against 51% women in population terms. I'm confused how the movement to womxn has got so far so quickly and why there isn't a similar move to mxn - are tg women simply less organised and less frightening to 49% of the pop that's men? Genuinely interested to know.