To ask what people understand the consequences of 'Hard Brexit' are

[Bearbehind]

It's no secret I'm a Remainer but I'm at the point where I think the only option might well be Hard Brexit and live with the consequences to avoid a situation where 'the will of the people' was ignored.

What do people think a No Deal Brexit will entail?

NoSleepTill2030
I hope they do cancel Brexit and the extreme far right groups take to the streets.
I then hope that the police round them up and lock them up and throw the book at them. It’s about time these extreme groups learnt that there’s no room for their far right extremism in a modern, civilised society. I feel they are allowed to get away with far too much.

"It’s about time these extreme groups learnt that there’s no room for their far right extremism in a modern, civilised society."
Sadly I think you're wrong. I think there's loads of room for hate and violence at the moment, more than ever before in my lifetime.

If there was another vote, and it was compulsory to vote, and the vote was still leave, then I would accept it as the will of the people. As it stands just now, it is far from the will of the people.

Thought I'd make a list of items from a consumer/everyday living perspective.

Short term:

• No goods on shelves, as everything is held up at the border, panic buying etc (my advice, in the new year start spending a bit extra every week and stock up on 2-3 months of essentials you'd otherwise eat anyway e.g. pasta, tinned tuna, tinned veg, rice, sauces, cereals/porridge, UHT milk (normal milk supply chain may be affected e.g. animal feed).
• No goods on shelves will apply to EVERYTHING not just food, because all the previously easy to import stuff from the EU will be clogging up the ports meaning non-EU stuff we already buy is also delayed. Imagine JD sports with virtually no trainers in stock, a half-stocked Primark, unable to get your new washing machine delivered for 6 weeks due to lead time on import from abroad.
• Similar to above, prescription medication shortages
• WTO tariffs leading to price rises applied immediately on the customer
• Immediate issues for holiday makers, new rules for visas, changes to travel insurance, no EHIC renewal
• No EU-mandated compensation with regards to flights being cancelled or severely delayed. Ryanair and Easyjet will be rubbing their hands with glee and will swiftly tell you rules no longer apply.
• The above applies if flights are indeed flying (we would need some form of aviation agreement with the EU to kick in immediately).
• Lots of goods ordered by UK citizens being held by Royal mail and subject to VAT charges and admin fees. You'll def hear people moaning about this on social media.

In the longer term

• Further price rises as the pound tanks in value, all imported goods will increase in price, imported inputs will make British goods (incl. even basic food such as vegetables) more expensive with time
• Think there has been some promises regarding EU roaming charges on mobile phones, but likely to eventually return over time.
• Erosion of consumer standards and protections, especially if any deal is made with the US e.g. UK open to GMO foods, chlorinated chicken and other nasties
• Tory Government also likely to erode worker protections etc over time. The justification will be it is to increase our competitiveness to boost the economy. This is stuff like rights to paid holiday, sick leave, maternity/paternity etc that all cost businesses (whichever ones stay here and survive at least) quite a bit of money.
• UK government already failing to meet EU air quality targets etc. This will be even less important without the EU to nag and push them. So expect dirtier, smellier air, especially in cities as there will be no will (or money) to improve public transport, discourage motor vehicles, encourage electric cars/cycling, encourage old dirty cars to be scrapped etc.

Nice one @Elasticity .

Brexit is beyond comprehension to anyone who, in any capacity, works or lives internationally and is aware of that. Tragically, many people whose jobs depend on international trade voted Leave. How can people be so very ignorant about their own livelihood? It beggars belief.

The turkeys voted for Christmas user.

I'm curious to know whether there is an overlap between the Leavers who have said "No Deal, screw the EU" on the All In/Out thread, and the Leavers who have said "Don't worry, of course there will be zero issue with travel because there will be an arrangement made" on the Travel thread.

If there is: Ehhhhh??? What. On. Earth. Is Happening. In. Their. Heads?

If there isn't: Why aren't they berating each other for such a fundamental disagreement in their vision for Sunlit Uplands on those threads, rather than complaining about Remainers?

Whatcha
I used to work in Freight Forwarding.
I shouted long and hard about how damaging Brexit would be to trade.
My family and friends got rather sick of it
95% of them are strongly remain to (many academics and technical folks)
It was well known in many circles
but slagged of as "we don't need experts"

actually just over 30% of the electorate said leave, just under 30% said remain and the rest either thought you vote by posting on facebook, didn't care or didn't think either option was supportable.

not having out of season food, not being able to make cheap calls on holiday and not being able to transport dogs easily are not actually the major issues, even though it is all the news bangs on about.

a deal is now possible but Rees-Smug and his appalling mates are doing their very best to stop it. They, along with Cameron are the real culprits.

you may also recall that no-one else wanted to be Prime Minister, funny that.

I still think this is a phoney war and once the concrete options (deal or crash out) are actually on the table, the politicians will flinch as no one will want to be associated with basically trashing the country.
There is no positive argument for any of the outcomes. People voted for Brexit to achieve things like immigration controls that were already within the power of politicians. And to stop globalisation, which will only be given a boost by Brexit. It's sheer idiocy.
If it does all go ahead, outcomes I would like to see in the whole grinding catastrophe are:

• voting reform and end of the two-party system
• younger voters being more political and challenging selfish self-interest of baby boomers on housing, environment, multiculturalism
• discrediting of right wing press that said it would all be a cakewalk
• more respect for academics and experts who know what they're talking about rather than populist gobshites like Farage

I like in hope.

I still think this is a phoney war and once the concrete options (deal or crash out) are actually on the table, the politicians will flinch as no one will want to be associated with basically trashing the country.

I did think that but after seeing TM strop like a toddler after the others wouldn't play nicely with her in Salzburg I now think she is very much prepared to throw us off a cliff just so she can save face.

Nice one @Elasticity**

Well it's a start, but the short term issues described still assume some sort of deal (or side-deals) rather than the impact of a No Deal Brexit, which is what the OP asked about and which the right wing Brexiters are still suggesting is an option.

• WTO tariffs and quotas would require an Agreement from the WTO countries,
• No goods are coming to the UK or leaving the UK if hauliers, their lorries and their drivers are no longer licensed to operate in the EU (and EU lorries and drivers likewise for the UK).
• The white goods would need certification for UK use.
• It won't be possible to order items over the internet from the EU - the goods have no way of reaching the UK and a UK credit card won't work on an EU site.
• Visas, roaming charges, EHIC etc are irrelevant if there is no way of leaving the country for a holiday (agreements required on aviation, marine and rail transport).

A No Deal Brexit means just that - on 29th March the UK tears up 750+ Agreements and is left standing alone in the rain with nothing.

I can't believe some people can be so unconcerned. Even IF we fudge together something short term to keep the planes flying and food moving, Brexit will still fuck the economy. We already trade with the rest of the world, we just do it via EU rules. There isn't a magic market out there waiting to buy our stuff that isn't doing so already. It makes me furious. Preferring non-EU skilled labour to EU skilled labour is all fine from the "No I am not a thick racist" perspective but completely forgets that EU freedom of movement is RECIPROCAL. We all stand to gain something by it.

The loss of EU FOM is going to affect all sorts of British workers resident in the U.K. who need to travel for short term business.

I have asked that MN leave this thread in AIBU as I'm genuinely interested in the thoughts of those who don't spend time in the Brexit section.

No you are not, You just want to harass try to convert people who don't agree with you.If people want to talk about Brexit they would post in the Brexit topic.

I'm beyond 'converting' anyone fruit

I'd just like it if Leavers owned their shit and acknowledged what their decision is going to lead to.

That why I think Hard Brexit is the only way.

It isn't about converting. It's not a bloody religion. Either you are willing to see and accept shitty practical consequences or you aren't.
If you think it's going to be ok, I disagree with you and expect you to explain why I am wrong.

I read a while ago that formula could also rise in price and be subject to shortages

Not being forced into a federal Europe, maintaining control over our superior common law legal system. Treating people from all over the world equally with regards immigration rather than prioritising largely white European immigrants. Having greater control over our own economy rather than proping up economies which are totally incompatible with our own. Issues in Ireland re the boarder which will probably be solveable but will be hijaked by people on both sides of the republic/Union debate for their own agenda, visa waivers needing to be completed on travel to mainland Europe similar to USA etc.increase in travel insurance as eu healthcard no longer applies. Increase in the costs of some goods, some of which could relate to increase input tax, exchange rates etc others taking the opportunity to blame Brexit.Alteration of our tax system to encourage inward investors and prop up previously EU subsidised institutions the government considers integral to the economy. Lots of people going on about it wouldn’t have happened if we were still in the EU for the next 50 years. Hard to see which way interest rates will go, on balance prob kept low to ensure money flowing in the
Country, large investors into the country probably encouraged by tax breaks rather than interest rates. So some good and some bad but that was always going to be the case whichever side won.

Just catching up but going back a page or two

It’s about time these extreme groups learnt that there’s no room for their far right extremism in a modern, civilised society

Or indeed the far left.

I wouldnt particularly want to be in London this coming Saturday.

time4chocolate completely agree

No you are not, You just want to harass try to convert people who don't agree with you.If people want to talk about Brexit they would post in the Brexit topic.

Many people are not aware or have not considered possible consequences of a hard Brexit and how this might impact their lives in even in the short term with the possibility of food and medicine shortages and travel disruption.

What is wrong with having a discussion, sharing information and then it is up to people to make up their own minds what they need to do should this situation arise.

@time4chocolate

What's happening on Saturday?

KenDodd

This:

m.facebook.com/The-True-FLA-Democratic-Football-Lads-Alliance-1627010124012184/posts?locale2=en_GB

and counter protest by Antifa

m.facebook.com/londonantifascists/