To ask what people understand the consequences of 'Hard Brexit' are

[Bearbehind]

It's no secret I'm a Remainer but I'm at the point where I think the only option might well be Hard Brexit and live with the consequences to avoid a situation where 'the will of the people' was ignored.

What do people think a No Deal Brexit will entail?

A return to violence in NI. Short term food shortages. Long term price increases. Blue passports.

Does it even matter what people think a ‘no deal brexit’ will entail? Brexit is going to happen whether people like it or not now. All we can do now is wait and see what happens.

Well it does matter really.

No Deal Brexit is a cliff edge were we become the only country in the world to operate entirely on WTO.

That's a pretty big deal.

More jobs for British workers. Being able to choose the most skilled immigrants to fill skills shortages, rather than senselessly favouring Europeans over, for example, Indian workers. An end to people coming to the UK with no job and no money expecting to rely on our public services. Cheaper products coming from outside the eu, from places like China who we are forced to put tariffs on under eu rules.the ability to set our own laws and trade deals to suit our own country and our circumstances. UK money not financing eurocrats like junker and his private jet.

More jobs for British workers.

In what industries?

Being able to choose the most skilled immigrants to fill skills shortages, rather than senselessly favouring Europeans over, for example, Indian workers.

So what happens if the Europeans are more qualified than the Indians or indeed the British?

An end to people coming to the UK with no job and no money expecting to rely on our public services.

We could have controlled this before but didn't so why will that change?

Cheaper products coming from outside the eu, from places like China who we are forced to put tariffs on under eu rules.

What products do we want to buy from China more cheaply than we can now? How will that affect safety and standards?

the ability to set our own laws

What laws can't we set ourselves now?

trade deals to suit our own country and our circumstances.

What trade deals do we want to have that we can't now?

UK money not financing eurocrats like junker and his private jet.

No, we'll just use it to fund our own polticians exclusively!

‘Bear’ no it doesn’t matter because the vote has happened and we have to accept it whether we like it or not. Panicking about what may or may not happen is of no benefit to anyone.

it doesn’t matter because the vote has happened and we have to accept it whether we like it or not. Panicking about what may or may not happen is of no benefit to anyone

Fortunately democracy isn't that defeatist.

bear but you say it would be worse to ignore the will of the people so I guess we are heading for brexit one way or another.

Initial problems with food and medication availability. Then a deep recession caused by our government not being properly prepared with export/import regulations meaning SMEs who can not afford to weather the storm going out of business. Civil unrest when they realise the lies told and when remainers get pissed off at what they’ve been dragged into against their will (see attached picture)

but you say it would be worse to ignore the will of the people so I guess we are heading for brexit one way or another.

Not exactly.

I'm saying the only way to get 'the people' to understand what their 'will' will lead to is to go ahead with 'no deal'.

It will be a shit show of epic proportions but nothing else is registering.

@harshbuttrue1980 - the thing about new trade deals as that we need to get the other side to agree to our deal. What are chances of China saying- we'll import your stuff with tariffs too?

@harshbuttrue1980

More jobs for British workers - or one million job losses and people desperate to take any job at any wage.

Being able to choose the most skilled immigrants to fill skills shortages, rather than senselessly favouring Europeans over, for example, Indian workers. – Free movement of people is the price the UK pays for free entry of goods into the EU – a rather sensible idea that the 27 other nations are fully on board with. Indian workers with the required skills are welcome; two-thirds of all immigration into the UK is from non-EU countries. India and China have already demanded more immigration as a price for a trade deal.

An end to people coming to the UK with no job and no money expecting to rely on our public services. – Doesn’t happen. EU immigrants contribute more to the UK economy than they take out (about £2,500 a year each), and contribute more per head than British and non-EU immigrants. The UK has always had the right to ask people to leave if they could not support themselves. The longest-serving modern Home Secretary could have done this – instead she opposed the registration of EU workers and cut back on the Border Agency. Remind me of her name.

Cheaper products coming from outside the EU, from places like China who we are forced to put tariffs on under eu rules. – Another myth. Prices will remain the same or increase under WTO rules. Any cost savings will be taken by the middlemen (importers and retailers) to boost their profits; the consumer won’t benefit.

The ability to set our own laws and trade deals to suit our own country and our circumstances. – If the UK wants to trade with the rest of the world, it will have to comply with their laws. EU laws for the EU. US laws for the US. Just like now. Except on 29th March the UK tears up 750 Agreements so has to start from scratch.

UK money not financing eurocrats like Junker and his private jet. – The EU administration is actually very cost-effective. 55,000 civil servants serve 500 million people. Birmingham employs almost as many for a population of just over a million. The UK will spend £billions more replicating all of the Agencies that are currently shared with the rest of the EU (e.g. Medicines Agency). David Davis demanded his own jet when he was Brexit Minister. You remember him? The bloke that did about 4 hours work in 18 months?

*I'm saying the only way to get 'the people' to understand what their 'will' will lead to is to go ahead with 'no deal'.

It will be a shit show of epic proportions but nothing else is registering*

If the people hadn’t have been given the vote on brexit along with so much conflicting and false information at the time then maybe the outcome might have be different. As it is we’re heading for brexit and we need to brace ourselves for whatever happens.

There is still so much scare mongering going on about brexit and no one really knows just how much change, for better or worse, we are going to face.

"There is still so much scare mongering going on about brexit and no one really knows just how much change, for better or worse, we are going to face."
Pointing out legal problems and what the likely consequences are is not scaremongering.

Why don’t people like the question?

There are people clamouring for hard brexit on mn- are we not allowed to clarify what they hope to achieve?

Pointing out legal problems and what the likely consequences are is not scaremongering

It’s irrelevent anyway. Brexit will happen.

Scotland going for independence and rejoining the EU

We already voted no to independence. How many votes do people want? It's like Brexit, they want another vote on it now reality is dawning.

Well, it's not irrelevant.

'Brexit will happen' means nothing.

That's the point of the thread.

What does Hard Brexit actually mean to you insomeotheruniverse

Now there's a apt user name 😆

Its irrelevant?

Some of the greatest thinkers voted Brexit- said no one ever.

Why don’t you want people to discuss consequences?

bear it doesn’t mean anything to me.

We already voted no to independence. How many votes do people want? It's like Brexit, they want another vote on it now reality is dawning

That's another consequence of Hard Brexit - Scotland will be off.

It was close in the Independence referendum but they did agree on Remaining.

If the UK leaves to EU on a no deal basis, the next Indy ref will succeed.

NI will have to be treated differently so all that's left of the union will be Wales and I'm sure they will find a way to scoot.

it doesn’t mean anything to me.

It will.

I wonder if any of the regions with a significant Leave vote know anything about EU structural funds.... I wonder if they think Westminster will give a single shit about improving their transport networks (just an example) - one bus every quarter past the hour which doesn't even go all the way into the town centre.

GLWT!

So all the Leavers have hedged their bets on a buccaneering UK setting sail to far-flung places to strike billion-pound trade deals? ... Apparently we didn't have any money left to fund the NHS but when Theresa May spotted a potential ally in Arlene Foster all of a sudden NI is gonna get enough cash to build motorways out of pure gold and diamonds. Odd that.

Helmet that’s an interesting comment Some of the greatest thinkers voted Brexit- said no one ever what kind of people do you think voted brexit?

And I don’t mind people ‘discussing consequences’ at all. It’s a public forum and I’m giving my opinion. You might not like it but it is what it is.

@Insomeotheruniverse - what consequences are you anticipating? In the first few months, say.