To ask you to care that ANOTHER paedophile MALE who targeted girls, who claims to be a woman has been moved to a woman's prison. Having got a GRC IN PRISON FFS

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The title says it all..

He targeted young girls and married a convicted paedophile (who is now released) wonder what he is up to now?
www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

Why are we letting this happen? He is not female. A GRC or gender dysphoria is no bar to commtting sex offences against women and girls. Why is it males doctors who allow the GRC? And male judges who allow the transfers to be made?

Do you want these crimes being recorded as being committed by women? These men identify as women, not with women, but what does their behaviour show of their true gender, their behaviour, their sex?

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

Also Stephen Wood/Karen White www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/06/transgender-person-accused-rape-remanded-female-prison-sexually/ a repeated rapist of women including a disabled girl, who then assuated 4 women in a women's prison.

Oh and Martin Ponting/JessicaWinfield www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

And countless others www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3337063-RESOURCE-THREAD-Transwomen-in-Women-s-Prisons

This not at all the same as gay rights or lesbian rights. It has nothign to do with being fun and wearing nail varnish.

Many transgendered males are causing harm to women and girls, and also seeking to hide their brith sex and sexual crimes. I cannot find the link right now but on the Feminism Chat board there is a link to a trans gender male who wants to have crimes recorded when he was a man erased so that no one looking at his criminal history will know he is born a male. This will set a dangerous precedent that could include wiping rape (a crime that can only be committed with a penis so is indicative of the true sex of the offender) from the crimes of a transgendered male.

Trans acitivsts openly admit to using litiagtion to furhter their casue away form the public spotlight. This is not human rights, this is the cynical abuse and manipulation of the human rights movement, and the compassion of many everyday people.

oh and David Challenor a paedophile who dressed up ain an adult nappy and girls clothes to abuse and torture a real young girl Independent after being convicted of cruelty to animals and having his children taken into care. He was also a scout elader and gynatics coach. AND GREEN PARTY ACTIVIST who campainged with the adult child for males who identify as women to be housed in women's prisons.

And whose child Aimee Challenor (aged 20 ish now) a former Green Party activist is a male who identifies as trans and as a woman, but also wears adult nappies, and has a sexual fetish for dressing as a 'cute' animal and identitfies as being of other ages and is in polyamorous relationships with other trans people with the same fetishes, who was recently suspended from the Green Party for using thier father as their election agent AFTER their father was charged. The Times

No doubt Aimee came from a terrible upbringing, being taken into care etc, but can we really say that being trans is always innate and benign as activists claim? Does it really have nothing to do with upbringing or possible historical abuse/ neglect etc? Or for girls the pressures of sexual harrasment and constant sexualising and feminsing of women?

Stonewall are campaigning to have the trans umbrella cast ever wider and to allow self ID to that any man may say he is a legal woman.

Please THINK women and men of AIBU.

James Kirkup on John Bercow (Speaker of theHouse of Commons) refusal to allow an Urgent Question on prison policy following the revelations about Karen White /Stephen Wood's long violent offending history against women and children. White/ Wood subsequently sexually assaulted four female prisoners after being placed in women's prison.

(extract)
To recap: the State put a rapist in a jail full of vulnerable women. That rapist then sexually assaulted four of those women. MPs wanted to know how that happened, and to question the ministers responsible for those events. The Speaker of the House of Commons said they could not do so.

The story of transgender policy in Britain today is a story of political failure, where many people fail to do their job and speak openly about matters of clear public interest. Writing about it this year, I’ve grown accustomed to that failure, though no less angry about it.

But even by the dismal standards of the trans debate, where supposedly responsible figures routinely shirk their duties to appease a small, aggressive group of activists and lobbyists, John Bercow’s decision strikes me as repulsive, a disgusting abdication of responsibility that brings shame on its author and his office.

Why did John Bercow refuse to let MPs debate the state-sponsored abuse of women? I have no idea and his office told me they never give a reason for the rejection of a UQ. He is, of course, meant to be a wholly neutral figure who discharges his duties as Speaker even-handedly and without bias to any cause or campaign. I have no reason to think he did otherwise on this occasion. However, it is at least worth noting that John Bercow is also the President of the Kaleidoscope Trust, an advocacy organisation that describes its mission thus: ‘We urge the British government and Commonwealth stakeholders to use their influence in support of the rights of LGBT people.’ (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/the-state-has-failed-karen-whites-victims/

current relevant threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3370578-House-of-Commons-report-on-Trans-Prisoners-Published-today

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3370916-influential-criminal-justice-charity-campaigning-for-removal-of-minor-gender-specific-offences-from-dbs-checks

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Video from Liverpool Council meeting 16minutes in.
LiverpoolResisters statement with concerns for women and children and gender self-id , followed by the Mayor's extraordinary (IMO) response:

Thread with background:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3364329-Motion-against-Liverpool-ReSisters-by-Liverpool-City-Council

I care, deeply.

Short of letter writing, quietly raising my DC to think critically, raising awareness through social media, (attempting to) talk to friends and family about the issues, implications and ramifications, there is little I feel able to do.

Eternally grateful to Jennifer James, Stickerwoman, Venice Allen, Posie Parker, Miranda Yardley, James Kirkup, Graham Linehan for noticing this while I was still ignorant, and for sticking their heads above the parapet. I don't agree with everything they write or everything they say, but they do seem to be centering women at a time when many others want to (surprise surprise) centre adult males instead.

That is an excellent statement from Liverpool Resisters.

What an inadequate response. What an reversal of what's actually going on regarding bullying. What an overreaction to some stickers.

I think the Suffragette Movement received such emotional, accusatory, lying responses from the men they were calmly challenging

Let's just emphasise that delightful phrase from that James Kirkup article.
"the state-sponsored abuse of women"

That's what's happening. It's what has always happened. We're getting sick of it.

Short of letter writing, quietly raising my DC to think critically, raising awareness through social media, (attempting to) talk to friends and family about the issues, implications and ramifications, there is little I feel able to do.

You're doing great not everyone can put their head above the parapet.

This email address is replying:

[email protected]

Please email them and ask:

1. How and why are risk assessments failing, causing such bad decisions to be made.

2. Point our this is a problem NOW. How much will this problem increase if sex self ID is brought in?

3. Ask why no trans wing? This way women would be kept safe as well as trans prisoners.

4. Has anybody consulted women in prison about how they feel about being housed alongside Male bodies prisoners? These women are vulnerable. High proportion of care leavers, domestic abuse survivors, MH issues, substance abuse issues and they’re largely there for property crimes ie non payment of fines. They’re victims of poverty.

5. Why were Women In Prison (or any other organisation representing actual women) not involved when MOJ were drawing up the new rules?

This makes me want to cry for our future generations of girls. I feel helpless.

Gosh he really wants women to shut the fuck up doesn't he.

Not bothered about rape threats, death threats, bomb threats, women's childre threatened, workplaces contacted with attempts to get women sacked.

The aggression in his speech was palpable, he'd really have liked to give the woman who spoke a good slap. We as women ALL have encoutered angry nasty men who dont' like "uppity women" and I would NOT get in an argument with him for fear of being thumped. This is the problem women have > when we KEEP saying no the aggression starts to come.

Stickers FFS STICKERS ie non permanent whatevers are MORE DANGEROUS than convicted rapists with cocks being locked in with the women.

If this were impacting men as negatively as women well it would never be on the table in the first place but if it were men would react with more than WORDS and STICKERS FFS and this is how and why they get their own way in the first place and then run everything and set it all up for them and other men.

The speaker was v brave and she got a big round of applause thank you so much.

Would be interested to see if this guy has connections to any of the TRA via organisations, money, friends, freemasons, or adult baby / furry stuff etc.

I suspect he's just a bogstandard misogynist.

Thanks DoI. Will get on it

Just awful. This situation will not change until some unfortunate woman prisoner is murdered by one of these perverts. Officialdom will then throw up its collective hands in horror claiming things must change. Utterly disgusting policy.

I don't think that will help.

Women in prison are not considered to be very important at all by society / the authorities.

I think it will change when the wives / mums / daughters of rich powerful men start to have bad experiences (of whatever type). There are situations that they won't be able to buy their way out of >> women and girls can protect themselves from the excesses of male violence to some extent but not completely by any stretch of the imagination.

Unless lots of the rich powerful men have investments in pharmaceuticals / put their female relatives below their contacts in freemasons or adult baby or furry groups or the golf club or the desires of their friend who want access to girls & women and so on and so forth.

I like to think this isn't what will happen and they are just blind to the ramifications but i'm not so sure. Ask any standard "bloke on the street" if it's OK to send penis people on GG camps have them share bedrooms shower etc with the girls and not mention to parents they will say no, ask if it's OK for any man who wants to to go in communal chnanging for girls at eg most swimming clubs they will say no, ask if men should be allowed to compete against women in sports ever they will say no, ask if penis can be female and they will say no etc etc etc

This is not bigoted it is having a basic grasp of the fact that there are loads of creepy perverts about (invariably penis people) and girls / women are at risk from them and also that male/female do exist and hetero and homosexuality exist and people who are exclusively same or opposite sex attarcted are not scum who literally want to kill transpeople.

How have we got to the point where it is considered up for debate that the male and female sexes exist?

Important to be aware of how some TRAs with political influence are characterising those women who have concerns about prison policy which houses convicted rapists and paedophiles in female estate.

As well as being influential with the Liberal Democrats, some of users of this Twitter account are also prominant within the charity Stonewall:

(extract)
"Ok, so here’s a Lib Dem primer on why transphobes claiming that “we aren’t transphobic, we just want to protect women” are full of … well, yeah. Settle in. Also, note this thread will contain descriptions of sexual abuse.
Time and time agin, these so called “feminists” will only show any interest at all in a given issue if there is a trans angle. Take the campaign to repeal the auto abortion provision in the Irish constitution recently - UK transphobic “feminists” ignored it until they found out…
That trans women and cis women were fighting side by side in Ireland and then they stepped in and rather than support the efforts of their Irish sisters, tried to provoke infighting over trans inclusion.

This justifiably annoyed the Irish campaigners.
But more recently they are making a big thing over women’s prisons, and trans women being in them. They say this is because they care about protecting (cis) women in these prisons. They are lying." (continues)

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1042796139089735682.html

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3371310-LibDem-lgbT-Twitter-thread-on-women-s-prisons

It;s all reversal isnt it,

Many of the women who are GC are long term politically active left wingers, outspoken feminsists with long histories of activism around women's issues, outspoken lesbians with long histories of LGB activism...

If anyone is not sure they can look at the FWR board from before all this exploded and see all the threads about issues affectign women and girls all over the world.

To claim that feminist activists of long standing DON'T CARE AT ALL about what happens to women and girls is a fucking disgusting and ludicrous lie and they should be ashamed.

They won't be though as they take a donald trump approach of stout denial / bald faced lying and think if they say it often enough people will start to beleive it.

Some people do start to believe it but that makes it easier to spot the ones who had highly misogynist ideas lurking beneath a very thin layer of seemingly nice person.

IN ADDITION

And as with so much of this stuff

The statement that feminists / women in general TBH are LYING when they say they want to protect female children

Is totally and utterly counter-intuitive.

EVERYONE KNOWS that women don't like creepy men getting at little girls or vulnerable women. Becasue we ARE women, we WERE girls, and many of us are or have been made vulnerable at points in our lives, and pretty much all of us have had experience with creepy men.

But no, we're LYING when we say that we care about this. Of course women dont' care about women being raped. Who ever thought they did?

Many of the women who are GC are long term politically active left wingers, outspoken feminsists with long histories of activism around women's issues, outspoken lesbians with long histories of LGB activism...

In November 2017 Anne Ruzylo made a speech at Woman's PLace UK meeting describing both how she had been targetted by some activists (including Lily Madigan) in the Labour Party and outlining her serious concerns for vulnerable female prisoners. Anne Ruzylo has professional experience working in prisons. She spoke from this position of knowledge and experience.

(a small part of the speech was deliberately clipped and misrepresented by some TRAs to smear Anne Ruzylo which also likely has lead to many within the LGBT+ community being manipulated)

Thanks for linking

I do think it's important to see that woman who are worried about this have often been left of centre (even if not politically active). That it's not right wing bigots as cited by the TRAs

Yabu. Transwomen are women! Release all trans people from prison now! [sic]

I mean, trans people in prison are basically like political prisoners, aren't they!? Isn't that why the NUS encourages outreach and support: "how you can help a trans prisoner".

I'd dearly love to hear of a transwoman who's been banged up for a non violent non sexual crime.

Are there any?

It's really worth watching Anne Ruzylo's speech.

This was made nearly a year ago.

Her concerns have not only not been heard, she was deliberately targetted and driven out her role as Women's Officer in the Labour party.

Lily Madigan who subsequently became a Women's Officer of nearby Labour CLP dismissed the news about White allegedly assaulting female prisoners accusing those who were reporting as being transphobic.

When Lily Madigan became Women's officer aged 19/20 (?) those who questioned suitability were accused of bigotry and transphobia.

Lily Madigan had become a public figure after threatening to sue the school for not affirming their transition from male pupil to being treated in all aspects as a girl, (I think) less than a year before running for Labour women's officer.

(apologies if some of the timescales are a bit hazy)