To ask you to care that ANOTHER paedophile MALE who targeted girls, who claims to be a woman has been moved to a woman's prison. Having got a GRC IN PRISON FFS

[seafret]

The title says it all..

He targeted young girls and married a convicted paedophile (who is now released) wonder what he is up to now?
www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

Why are we letting this happen? He is not female. A GRC or gender dysphoria is no bar to commtting sex offences against women and girls. Why is it males doctors who allow the GRC? And male judges who allow the transfers to be made?

Do you want these crimes being recorded as being committed by women? These men identify as women, not with women, but what does their behaviour show of their true gender, their behaviour, their sex?

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

Also Stephen Wood/Karen White www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/06/transgender-person-accused-rape-remanded-female-prison-sexually/ a repeated rapist of women including a disabled girl, who then assuated 4 women in a women's prison.

Oh and Martin Ponting/JessicaWinfield www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

And countless others www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3337063-RESOURCE-THREAD-Transwomen-in-Women-s-Prisons

This not at all the same as gay rights or lesbian rights. It has nothign to do with being fun and wearing nail varnish.

Many transgendered males are causing harm to women and girls, and also seeking to hide their brith sex and sexual crimes. I cannot find the link right now but on the Feminism Chat board there is a link to a trans gender male who wants to have crimes recorded when he was a man erased so that no one looking at his criminal history will know he is born a male. This will set a dangerous precedent that could include wiping rape (a crime that can only be committed with a penis so is indicative of the true sex of the offender) from the crimes of a transgendered male.

Trans acitivsts openly admit to using litiagtion to furhter their casue away form the public spotlight. This is not human rights, this is the cynical abuse and manipulation of the human rights movement, and the compassion of many everyday people.

oh and David Challenor a paedophile who dressed up ain an adult nappy and girls clothes to abuse and torture a real young girl Independent after being convicted of cruelty to animals and having his children taken into care. He was also a scout elader and gynatics coach. AND GREEN PARTY ACTIVIST who campainged with the adult child for males who identify as women to be housed in women's prisons.

And whose child Aimee Challenor (aged 20 ish now) a former Green Party activist is a male who identifies as trans and as a woman, but also wears adult nappies, and has a sexual fetish for dressing as a 'cute' animal and identitfies as being of other ages and is in polyamorous relationships with other trans people with the same fetishes, who was recently suspended from the Green Party for using thier father as their election agent AFTER their father was charged. The Times

No doubt Aimee came from a terrible upbringing, being taken into care etc, but can we really say that being trans is always innate and benign as activists claim? Does it really have nothing to do with upbringing or possible historical abuse/ neglect etc? Or for girls the pressures of sexual harrasment and constant sexualising and feminsing of women?

Stonewall are campaigning to have the trans umbrella cast ever wider and to allow self ID to that any man may say he is a legal woman.

Please THINK women and men of AIBU.

YANBU

We need to march. This has reached tipping point.

YANBU

Yes, the solution is for everybody to write to their MP. No Template needed, just write from the heart. Personalised letters will be more effective than template ones.

It appears we live in a country which is prepared to commit the HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE of locking up vulnerable women and children with paedophiles and rapists. Write that. Ask how it happened. Why it happened. Who is responsible and WTAF are they going to do about it and how it will be prevented from happening in the future. They work for you. Make them do their fucking jobs!

Everybody is entitled to write to their MP about this in whatever way they see fit. If you are capable of posting (or lurking) on Mumsnet then you are capable of emailing your MP.

Thanks, seafret. Going to write an email today

More people to email and ask WTAF they’re doing about this:

[email protected] [email protected] [email protected]

No Template needed, just write from the heart. Personalised letters will be more effective than template ones.

Often it's a numbers game, the more people that write, the better.

And people are more likely to write if they have a template email. Not everybody has the confidence to write from the heart.

*A MOTHER AND BABY UNIT. How can anyone agree with this?

Because pregnant women can commit crimes.?!*

I think the poster meant ‘how can anyone think it’s a good idea to let a male paedophile into a prison that has a mother and baby unit?’
Rather than it being a comment on the existence of M & B units

Why do they do this?
Women's rights mean nothing now.
Only trans women's rights, or so it seems.

Havaina

I totally agree it’s a numbers game, but I also think it’s important that they receive a wide variety of letters, including from people who don’t usually have the confidence to write, but feel compelled to do so because of this issue.

I want women to believe in themselves. If they have the ability to access this site, they have the ability to email their MP, whether they realise it or not.

I’ve emailed mine over this and had responses from both my MP and the Equalities office (and I’ve emailed back and awaiting more responses).
I’ve never emailed my MP before or done anything political but I did this after reading about the issues on here and if I can anybody can.

The important thing is that everybody contacts their MP. If you don’t want to email, ring them up. Discriminating against people not confident to put their point in writing is not acceptable.

It's not just the mother and baby unit (which I think is separate) but that Lewin's offences - for which Lewin was considered so dangerous as to merit an IPP - were committed against teenage girls, and HMP Peterborough is HMPYOI Peterborough.

As in, houses teenage girls alongside adult women.

A dangerous, predatory paedophile who grooms vulnerable teenage girls has been moved out of a specialist sex offenders prison, and instead placed in a prison which houses vulnerable teenage girls.

I can't see any rational justification for this.

A dangerous, predatory paedophile who grooms vulnerable teenage girls has been moved out of a specialist sex offenders prison, and instead placed in a prison which houses vulnerable teenage girls.

THIS.

I just cant, it is getting worse and blows my tiny mind. Where are the assessments? The safeguarding?

I have been told many times recently that I am going to be on the wrong side of history. I really don't think I am.

Has anyone been along to say something like "oh look, trans-bashing thread number 678,432" yet?

OP, Thanks for drawing this to my attention.
I will contact my MP.

At least one MP tried to ask an urgent question to the Justice Minister in The House of Commons last week about male norn sex-offenders in female estate and this was refused by the Speaker John Bercow.

James Kirkup wrote in the Spectator:
'If MPs can’t debate a rapist in a woman’s jail, politics has failed'
(extract)
"Many people have questions about how that failure came about. How did the Prison Service come to decide that Karen White, a person with a male body and a history of violent sexual crimes, should be put in New Hall prison? (New Hall, incidentally, also has a ‘mother and baby unit.’ The State did not just put a rapist in a women’s jail, they put a convicted paedophile in prison with children).

Was this just a catastrophic failure of judgement? Was it the result of flawed policy on the handling of transgender inmates? Did a climate of unthinking acquiescence to the demands of a highly effective transgender rights lobby contribute to this horrible mistake?

These are all legitimate questions, questions that should be debated and answered by the ministers responsible. These are the questions that Parliament exists to debate: questions about the conduct of public policy." (continues)

"The story of transgender policy in Britain today is a story of political failure, where many people fail to do their job and speak openly about matters of clear public interest. Writing about it this year, I’ve grown accustomed to that failure, though no less angry about it.

But even by the dismal standards of the trans debate, where supposedly responsible figures routinely shirk their duties to appease a small, aggressive group of activists and lobbyists, John Bercow’s decision strikes me as repulsive, a disgusting abdication of responsibility that brings shame on its author and his office."(continues)
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/the-state-has-failed-karen-whites-victims/

I think at this point any MP who doesn't recognise the importance of these questions is failing in the primary duty

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3365319-new-kirkup-article-about-bercow-s-refusal-to-let-mps-discuss-karen-white

Hippos

If they did, we'd be able to calmly point out that this is a thread about a predatory man using the legal fiction created by the Gender Recognition Act that men can become women, to act out his predation. Enabled by government. Enabled by groups like Stonewall and GIRES. Endorsed by all political parties who take that stance that 'transwomen are women'

This is the logical outcome of the Gender Recognition Act. And the government is currently consulting to extend the act to include anyone who wants to self-identify as a women.

This is a thread about protecting women and children

Not all men are rapists. We know that. But we segregate by sex because we can't tell which ones might rape and which ones might not.

Below is a link to the GRA consultation. There are only a few days to get women's voices heard.

consult.education.gov.uk/government-equalities-office/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/

This is a link to Fairplay For Women. They have advice on how to fill out the consultation document

fairplayforwomen.com/

Think the last time this happened, people were actually in agreement. Glad that people have now realised how wrong it is.

We’re not allowed to link to it but fair play for women also have a crowdfunder and Dr Nic is doing excellent work raising awareness of the dangers to women in prison of self ID.

Once you’ve emailed your MP, please google the crowd funder

It's important to understand that most transwomen don't even bother to obtains a GRC, and most transwomen have a penis and intend to keep it.

The government has encouraged a situation where it's unsayable to state that a person with a penis is never a woman

Essentially a biological male sex offender can get a GRC and wipe out their criminal history.

And can do this while serving a sentence for sex offences against minor girls and with the full assistance of the prison service.

They'll tear him apart won't they?

What the actual fuck? YADNBU. Of course you care. Everyone should care. There is no possible justification for this.

Ferchrissakes I've only just calmed down after the case of paedophile and rapist Karen White. That was soo last week.

Are we going to see a steady stream of sex offenders locked up with vulnerable women (and in this case, under twos and teenage girls)? One every week or so until they finally see sense?

Some human rights lawyer needs to go to bat for women abused by offenders like this. Though I sadly fear many human rights lawyers have drunk the woke koolaid and would be more interested in represent the supremely vulnerable and oppressed sex offenders.

Ridiculous. You would think that even if the powers that be do not give a shit about women (lets be honest, they usually don't...) they would at least care about housing paedophiles in prisons with fucking baby units.

Its all just batshit. Outside of twitter there seems to be not much support for this kind of thing at all. Which is both a relief, and quite scary that it seems to be a bunch of mouthy narcissistic and often pervy dudes on twitter getting crazy decisions such as this made, among professionals who should know better.

Not all men are rapists. We know that. But we segregate by sex because we can't tell which ones might rape and which ones might not.

This is there very crux of the issue. Also yes not all men are rapists, but all rapists are men, under UK law at least.

*the

Also, it's important to know that when gender surgery is discussed, it doesn't necessarily mean that a man has had a phallectomy. It can just mean breast implants and facial feminisation surgery (FFS). A tracheal shave comes under the FFS umbrella and reduces the Adam's apple.