To ask you to care that ANOTHER paedophile MALE who targeted girls, who claims to be a woman has been moved to a woman's prison. Having got a GRC IN PRISON FFS

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The title says it all..

He targeted young girls and married a convicted paedophile (who is now released) wonder what he is up to now?
www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

Why are we letting this happen? He is not female. A GRC or gender dysphoria is no bar to commtting sex offences against women and girls. Why is it males doctors who allow the GRC? And male judges who allow the transfers to be made?

Do you want these crimes being recorded as being committed by women? These men identify as women, not with women, but what does their behaviour show of their true gender, their behaviour, their sex?

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

Also Stephen Wood/Karen White www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/06/transgender-person-accused-rape-remanded-female-prison-sexually/ a repeated rapist of women including a disabled girl, who then assuated 4 women in a women's prison.

Oh and Martin Ponting/JessicaWinfield www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

And countless others www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3337063-RESOURCE-THREAD-Transwomen-in-Women-s-Prisons

This not at all the same as gay rights or lesbian rights. It has nothign to do with being fun and wearing nail varnish.

Many transgendered males are causing harm to women and girls, and also seeking to hide their brith sex and sexual crimes. I cannot find the link right now but on the Feminism Chat board there is a link to a trans gender male who wants to have crimes recorded when he was a man erased so that no one looking at his criminal history will know he is born a male. This will set a dangerous precedent that could include wiping rape (a crime that can only be committed with a penis so is indicative of the true sex of the offender) from the crimes of a transgendered male.

Trans acitivsts openly admit to using litiagtion to furhter their casue away form the public spotlight. This is not human rights, this is the cynical abuse and manipulation of the human rights movement, and the compassion of many everyday people.

oh and David Challenor a paedophile who dressed up ain an adult nappy and girls clothes to abuse and torture a real young girl Independent after being convicted of cruelty to animals and having his children taken into care. He was also a scout elader and gynatics coach. AND GREEN PARTY ACTIVIST who campainged with the adult child for males who identify as women to be housed in women's prisons.

And whose child Aimee Challenor (aged 20 ish now) a former Green Party activist is a male who identifies as trans and as a woman, but also wears adult nappies, and has a sexual fetish for dressing as a 'cute' animal and identitfies as being of other ages and is in polyamorous relationships with other trans people with the same fetishes, who was recently suspended from the Green Party for using thier father as their election agent AFTER their father was charged. The Times

No doubt Aimee came from a terrible upbringing, being taken into care etc, but can we really say that being trans is always innate and benign as activists claim? Does it really have nothing to do with upbringing or possible historical abuse/ neglect etc? Or for girls the pressures of sexual harrasment and constant sexualising and feminsing of women?

Stonewall are campaigning to have the trans umbrella cast ever wider and to allow self ID to that any man may say he is a legal woman.

Please THINK women and men of AIBU.

Yep, total reversals.

But no, we're LYING when we say that we care about this. Of course women dont' care about women being raped. Who ever thought they did?

We are accused of lying because they know that they lie. They assume that everyone is as coldy manipulative as they are.

Also, if anyone is struggling with the questions in the consultation (which are very narrowly framed and some would say out-right biased and the IT can be difficult; there is an address that you can write to to make your feelings known.

Both Fairplay for Women & Woman's PLace UK have some information to help with the government consultation for gender self-id for those concerned about the implications for Safeguarding and Women's rights
(this closes on October 19th 2018) :

fairplayforwomen.com/

womansplaceuk.org/wpuk-guidance-on-gra-consultation/

Where are the usual people telling us we're bigots and nothing bad will ever happen because of trans people.

You've all gone really quiet. @Ratrolypoly in particular- I don't mean to call you out personally but you've said many times that you trust the prison authorities to make calm decisions about these things and we're being ridiculous to have any concerns about women in prisons. Is that still your response?

I don't mind you calling on me gender but I'll warn you, I haven't read the whole thread and I'm currently sat between two small humans, drinking tea and watching Clangers...

But FWIW I have been meaning to jump on one of these threads and say I wholeheartedly agree that what little I know about these cases indicates a massive failing on the part of the authorities. That much is patently obvious.

To my mind, as have I have always maintained, the thing to do when an authority fails the rights and safety of women and girls is to hold that authority to the highest account. And I mean that in the very strongest terms; anyone planning to campaign the government to review the way the prison service assessed the risk posed to others in these cases, I am well on board with that. You can put my name down.

Where I suspect we disagree is that I DON'T believe the thing to do as a result of these terrible failures is to implement a blanket rule that puts trans women in the male estate in every single occasion. That will only in turn fail trans inmates, and the headlines would be full of trans women suffering the same as the poor victims in these cases. We as a nation shouldn't be settling for failing SOME inmates, be them natal women or trans. We should be aiming to have a system that keeps EVERYBODY as safe from harm as possible. And that means a system with a working means of assessing individuals on a case by case basis.

Now I'm afraid I have to run, the iron chicken appears to have misplaced his nest..

John Bercow has refused to allow a question in parliament about this massive failure of the prison service to protect women.

You say OH just ask the government to take a look.

The government don't care and aren't going to listen.

Not until some women they deem to have some worth end up being victimised because of the blurring and eroding of womens and girls rights to not have penis people in their spaces pretty much any time any where.

Women (and others) have been fighting for better conditions in prisons for years. Prisons reform trust is a good org. Authorities don't care - they aren't interested. How many votes are there in making things better for convicts?

Close to 50% of transwomen have committed sexual offences. None of them should be in female prisons

The rest are not women. They shouldn't be in female prisons either

Most transwomen retain their penis

The risk to transwomen in male prisons is not for women to solve. There should be separate wings or separate prisons

... to clarify: close to 50% of transwomen convicted of crimes are in prison for sexual crimes

Where I suspect we disagree is that I DON'T believe the thing to do as a result of these terrible failures is to implement a blanket rule that puts trans women in the male estate in every single occasion.

Thank you for responding Rat. I hope the Clangers was good.

So how do you differentiate between a 'good' trans person and a 'bad' trans person in prison? Because it seems to me that bar a few extreme cases, it's impossible.

I agree that having a wing of a men’s prison for male transpeople is sensible. Putting males in with women is not.